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19-05-2009, 10:10 AM
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a digital thermometer is alot better
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19-05-2009, 10:24 AM
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I prefer digital thermometers with probes.
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21-06-2009, 11:08 PM
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I have a microclimate 300w stat, is it possible to run several vivs off the one stat? If so do you just plug a mulitpug into stat plug?
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22-06-2009, 12:19 AM
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never used one and never will.. never had one problem with over heating... with any of my spiders or snakes(in 6years ive kept them).... id only ever use a stat when im using a blub...
 .. as these get stupid hot and if ur stupid enought to not give your snake space to get away from the heat sorce then .. its your own folt.. theres my comments 
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28-06-2009, 02:34 PM
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To be honest, I don't understand why people won't use a thermostat. I mean, sure I can respect the points that Morgoth (Awesome name) made, but really state aren't really that expensive. I have a Living Earth Habistat, which are design specifically for heat mats. That set me back about £28 and set peacefully knowing my Gecko won't have to run the risk of getting her tummy burnt.
I think there is a lot of bad information going around about heat mats. Case in point, the videos on Youtube, these "Experts" say things like, use this heat mat and slap a dial here! Here usually being the other side of the tank. I was researching this and didn't realise how hot these mats could get. It was only when I was in Jungle Phase (my local reptile shop) that I learnt the truth. I had composed a list of items that I had gather from various sites and care sheets. However, I also felt I should ask him as well. In truth, I was expecting him to sell me lots of pointless shit. However, he took my list and then said, "You honestly don't need most of this". In then talked to me about heating. I explained I knew that Leo were nocturnal and didn't need UV lights (something that those idiot videos do). I talk about thermometers. It was here, he took on a change. He seemed annoyed, not with me, but with the information I'd been given. It was then he said in plain english that he refused to sell me a Gecko unless I had a stat, he then show me a tank he had set up where he proceed to demonstrate how hot these mats got. I, personally, felt very embarrassed however he assured me, he didn't blame me. He then explain about this misinformation. So I have quite a love for the stats. I don't rely on them and I do check her tank day to make nothing wrong. But having the stat is just another measure I take to ensure my beloved leo's safety. I can't understand, why people won't just fork out that £30 for a stat. Okay, I can sympathise with issue of money, however, if that your argument... why are you keeping a reptiles in the first place? I know I've made a commitment to Scatha and plan to uphold to my abilities. That will extant to the other reptiles I'll buy in the future. Now, HOLD ON! I'm not accusing anyone of being a bad owner, but I'm curious as to why there are people who won't get a stat. So I have a quick question (and this isn't directed to anyone in particular). How long have you had your reptiles. I don't mean how long have you been keeping reptile, I mean how long have you had any one reptile. If you don't use a stat and you've own a Boa for say... six years and its now dead. There is quite a high, that it died from over heating. Most reptiles can live 20 years and more. Six, ten years... isn't quite short for a reptile. Sometime the effect are slow and subtle and as obvious as that poor python. The reptiles can't tell you how hot they are and unless you own a heat camera, you're not going know. Really, I'm just asking... why take the risk? Anyway, those are just my thoughts. Glaurung
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28-06-2009, 07:18 PM
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The male Boa I have had for between 6/7 years now, the female about 5/6. They are a breeding pair as of 2 years ago (never tried breeding them specifically, just chucked them in together and they've been fine. Apart from them I've had my Bosc for approaching 6 years and my Iguana for almost 7. I currently have a pair of GTPs as well (but I got stats for the basking lights on these, as breeding them requires acute temperature alterations).
I've kept a load of others during those ten years as well, but have slowly been decreasing the amount over the past few years. My main point earlier, that went unanswered, about whether people have humidity stats, is that the reptile industry (and many others) is very flexible. I would hazard a guess and say very few people here have those humidity stats. Yet in twenty years time, there will be discussions on forums just like these with threads saying 'Do I REALLY need a humistat?' And no doubt there will be people just like some of you guys saying "This is what can happen if your vivarium is too wet or too dry.", and then you'll be posting pictures of badly infected snakes with RIs and disfigured skin or whatever. And then they'll say "Thats why its ESSENTIAL to have a humistat!" And they'll probably laugh at the few people in the thread that venture to say that they just give their reptiles a daily unregulated mist with a plant spray bottle or whatever. And no doubt twently years after that, when there is equipment used that can detect air pressure or air micro-fluctuations or whatever, they'll be exactly the same kind of scenario as above.
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28-06-2009, 08:44 PM
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If you have a sensitive species, a humidistat IS actually a sensible piece of kit. There is one manufacturer making one (Lucky Reptile) that could presumably trigger the LR-branded humidifier.
However, many of the commonly kept species are just fine at average UK humidities... but are not necessarily OK at average UK temperatures, and even less so when you throw in heating equipment.
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28-06-2009, 09:29 PM
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I'm sure you can see through to what I was aiming at. As time goes by, more and more advanced technology is made and then deemed 'essential' that it completely negates the fact that there have been thousands of reptiles kept fine without the item in question.
Thermostats came out, were deemed a useful bit of tech, deemed essential now, despite reptiles being kept fine without them, if you have some basic knowledge of heat and how its lost. Humidistats have come out, deemed a useful bit of tech, will eventually be deemed essential. Air-pressure indicator (off the top of my head), will be deemed useful, then essential. Ultra-sonic ion exchanger unit (exaggeration), deemed useful, then essential.
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28-06-2009, 09:42 PM
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Where do you think the Animal-rightsies get the idea that reptiles don't live more than a couple of years in captivity? From the fact that without at least temperature regulation (and without adequate parasite control, which is another issue entirely) there were a significant number of animals that didn't live out their natural lifespans in captivity. Sure, some people - typically adults keeping pets who were keen to learn - would have worked out methods that worked for them. But quite frankly, that's not who I have been seeing buying reptiles when hanging out at shops. It's parents buying snakes for their kids - the parent only has the faintest of interest and the kid just wants a snake. It's young adults who don't know where their Radiated ratsnake comes from, let alone what the natural temperatures in the region are. And thermostats mean that these newbies don't cause their animals to suffer while they BUILD a background of understanding what their animal *IS*.
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