Would love to know the reasons why

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Absolutely ..but people are more up there own arses on crossses these days than they are on the possibly advancements crossings could have on this particular snake

If i had them i would definatley try to reproduce using both sexes with other morelia to help the study of these snakes

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Clicky

i second that

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No. Once the Boelens genome has been adulterated by something else, it's no longer a Boelens no matter how many Boelens you cross it back to.

Take 100,000 genes. 50% come from the Boelens, 50% come from the hybrid in any crossing. Although you may eventually get something that's 99% Boelens by crossing back to pure Boelens (and you've still got to get around the difficulty breeding Boelens - and that's seven generations of it too)... it's still got the possibility of genes that have come from the other species.

Might look like a Boelens, might act like a Boelens ... but then, a duck decoy looks like a duck, floats like a duck... and isn't one.

If I buy a duck I want it to be a duck.
If I buy a Boelens I don't want to find out it is actually a high-Boelens-content Carpoelens.

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What are you going to learn by crossing the species other than what happens when you cross the species??

Nothing learned from crossing can be used to advance pure breeding until we know what is needed for the pure in the first place.

Let's breed them together first, do all the advancing of techniques and knowledge that is needed for that and THEN go play.

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in my opinion i think this is a f*cking stupid idea

i totally agree with Dan keep the blood pure and crack the boelens breeding and not waste time with inbreeding it to something else

we don't want to start the whole diamond issue where the diamond is mixed with another carpet, because we will get the same situation of where every 1 arguing that their boelens is pure

i was reading a thread few days ago about a lad wanting to sell his diamond and no one believing it was a 100% pure, and i must admit it gets very tricky especially with the 75%'ers and the 88%'ers as every snake has a slight different pattern no one can be 100% sure unless they have a DNA test

so i don't see why any one would want to start this all over again with another species of snake

like i said its my opinion

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1.1 Het Albino Sharp BCI
1.0 Sorong Green Tree Python
1.2 Northern White Lipped Python
0.1 Dark Lavender Albino Dwarf Retic
Hoping/looking 0.1 Sorong Green Tree Python

well done couldn't say it better my self

just because a dog is born in a barn does not make it a horse

once u start crossing the offspring will always be hybrids

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1.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boas
1.1 Het Albino Sharp BCI
1.0 Sorong Green Tree Python
1.2 Northern White Lipped Python
0.1 Dark Lavender Albino Dwarf Retic
Hoping/looking 0.1 Sorong Green Tree Python

Sorry Dan but i have to say i disagree with you ..they have bred together for years......nothing happens...... they just do not produce anything viable .breeding to a closely related(Morelia )could give us some insight into if the problem is to do with any particular sex
remember that these snakes do not live in the lower atmoshperic(sp) regions that we reside in ...

does the problem lie with the female producing follicles ?
do the males suffer from low sperm production ?

this can be looked into more closely via crossings IMO

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Clicky

Thats your opinion and your welcome to it mate

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Clicky

boelens are cites ii.
not yet endangered but with deforestation and over population they are a specie that can become critically endangered so easy due to the inability to breed in captivity. (theres only been a few documented captive breedings)
they NEED to stay pure.

keen herpers don't even like buying cross locales of snakes let alone cross species.
due to the very reason of keeping bloodlines pure to save later extinction in the wild.