what sort of rat snakes are these??? - Page 3

ratboy · #21 (**permalink**) 25-09-2008, 09:53 PM

I would have said Yellow x Grey just to add another into the mix. There were a fair few going about a few years ago.

Definately a North American hybrid of some sort though. Keep it at around 84F and you should not be far out.

m4rt1n · #22 (**permalink**) 25-09-2008, 10:20 PM

thank you all it is much appreciated.

sorry to have a moan earlier in the thread aswel lol

im gonna say yellow x texas as that seems like a good guess to me

thanks

DraigGochHerp · #23 (**permalink**) 26-09-2008, 12:52 AM

I'd say there's some Texas blood there too, possibly a hybrid with a Yellow? They may even be a F2 hybrids so who knows what's there. Definitely a North American Rat though so low to mid 80's C hot end will see them thrive.
Graam.

Fangio · #24 (**permalink**) 26-09-2008, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DraigGochHerp

I'd say there's some Texas blood there too, possibly a hybrid with a Yellow? They may even be a F2 hybrids so who knows what's there. Definitely a North American Rat though so low to mid 80's C hot end will see them thrive.
Graam.

*cough* F *cough*

m4rt1n · #25 (**permalink**) 26-09-2008, 07:28 AM

soooo in that case what name would you give it?

like the het for somethings and so on lol (not good with that lol)

Ssthisto · #26 (**permalink**) 26-09-2008, 07:31 AM

They're just "North American Ratsnakes".

Not het for anything (unless they throw out albinos or something, in which case you know they're NARats het for Amelanistic) ... just "North American Ratsnakes".

Yellow, Grey, Black and Texas are subspecies, not morphs, you see.

m4rt1n · #27 (**permalink**) 26-09-2008, 07:35 AM

oooo rite so the het for whatevers dont work for subspecies then lol

it is confuseing lol

Ssthisto · #28 (**permalink**) 26-09-2008, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by m4rt1n

oooo rite so the het for whatevers dont work for subspecies then lol

it is confuseing lol

"Heterozygous" refers to individual genes, you see. "Grey Rat Snake" isn't a gene like "Anerythristic", it's an entire animal - so you couldn't get "het for grey rat". The animal can't produce pure Grey Rat snakes when bred to a Grey Rat; it can only produce North American Ratsnakes that have a higher percentage of Grey Rat in them.

Now, on the other hand, if you crossed, say, a Leucistic Texas Rat Snake to a "White Oak" Grey Rat Snake, you would get hybrid North American Rat Snakes het for Leucistic (from the Texas) and Ultra (from the Grey Rat). And you could certainly recover those traits in the second generation, too - but you'd always have hybrid ratsnakes. Pop out a Leucistic in the second generation of that cross, it's not a Leucistic Texas Rat - it's a Leucistic North American Rat.

m4rt1n · #29 (**permalink**) 26-09-2008, 07:48 AM

ooooo rite im with you lol.

ive always been a bit confused about the whole het business to be honest.

that clears it up some more for me though i think

thank u muchly

yellow_rat_gal · #30 (**permalink**) 26-09-2008, 01:33 PM

Het's are more with regards to colouration morphs as far as I can tell, but mainly I like my animals "normal" coloured!

In corns and royals you will come across a lot of hets (indeed some cornsnakes can have a whole list of hets!) which give more of an indication of what you will produce depending on what the animal is bred with.

Ratsnakes, if you cross a grey with a yellow/texas/everglades etc you will just produce a hybrid rat! Which seems to be what you have got. So breeding your two will produce another generation of hybrids, rather than a specific animal. But don't let that put you off, it's kinda like mongrel dogs, yer ok they're not "pedigree", but still beautiful animals!

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