Reptile Forums UK  

Go Back   Reptile Forums UK > Help and Chat > Snakes

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 08-10-2009, 11:07 PM
Ssthisto's Avatar
Read for Comprehension
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Huddersfield, West Yorks
Posts: 14,528
Blog Entries: 2
Send a message via Skype™ to Ssthisto
Default

Yup - which would explain why you can't "breed for" paradox (except by breeding lines that are prone to having twin eggs, for example).
__________________
- Ssthisto

"My bum has been a bum for a very long time, but that doesn't mean I have to listen to what it says."
- Terry Pratchett, Fifth Elephant

Member 1603 | Buyer Beware ....
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 09-10-2009, 08:21 AM
bladeblaster's Avatar
Postaholic Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Gloucester
Posts: 10,135
Default

Ssthisto, I read your conjoined twin theory before, and as I said then it made a lot of sense to me. However I have since read an opinion that it is the ultimate expresion of co-dominance i.e. both the normal and the albino genes are shown. Same as cross pollenating a red and white flower and getting a white flower with pink stripes. Also that the fact that this isn't reproducable does not detract from the method of inheritance?

I would be interested to here your views on this.

Thanks,

Terry.
__________________
If you ever see me in the flesh, feel free to buy me cider
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 09-10-2009, 11:08 AM
reptilefever's Avatar
Super Citizen
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: poynton
Posts: 730
Default

chop shop special lol
__________________


Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 09-10-2009, 11:10 AM
KING_GONZO's Avatar
Super Citizen
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: london
Posts: 922
Default

looks like a burn victim
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 09-10-2009, 11:11 AM
Super Citizen
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 844
Default

God I hope not that is horrible
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 09-10-2009, 11:29 AM
Ssthisto's Avatar
Read for Comprehension
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Huddersfield, West Yorks
Posts: 14,528
Blog Entries: 2
Send a message via Skype™ to Ssthisto
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bladeblaster View Post
Ssthisto, I read your conjoined twin theory before, and as I said then it made a lot of sense to me. However I have since read an opinion that it is the ultimate expresion of co-dominance i.e. both the normal and the albino genes are shown. Same as cross pollenating a red and white flower and getting a white flower with pink stripes. Also that the fact that this isn't reproducable does not detract from the method of inheritance
The problem with the idea of this being "codominant" is that it has *already* been proven that albino is recessive to normal.

If it were codominant, it would *always* happen that you got patches of one colour and patches of the other when you're looking at a het albino - not just in some breedings. Normal would be normal, homozygous albino would be albino, and het albinos would be patched.

If it were codominant you would also be able to reliably reproduce "paradox" animals as well - breed any albino to any normal, and always get patchy offspring, the same as what happens if you breed a black female cat to a male ginger cat (all female offspring will be tortoiseshell).

Now, it IS possible that there's a "leaky gene" effect going here - that the paradox animals have incomplete penetrance of the albino gene - but that's not the same thing as codominance.
__________________
- Ssthisto

"My bum has been a bum for a very long time, but that doesn't mean I have to listen to what it says."
- Terry Pratchett, Fifth Elephant

Member 1603 | Buyer Beware ....
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 09-10-2009, 11:35 AM
bladeblaster's Avatar
Postaholic Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Gloucester
Posts: 10,135
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ssthisto View Post
The problem with the idea of this being "codominant" is that it has *already* been proven that albino is recessive to normal.

If it were codominant, it would *always* happen that you got patches of one colour and patches of the other when you're looking at a het albino - not just in some breedings. Normal would be normal, homozygous albino would be albino, and het albinos would be patched.

If it were codominant you would also be able to reliably reproduce "paradox" animals as well - breed any albino to any normal, and always get patchy offspring, the same as what happens if you breed a black female cat to a male ginger cat (all female offspring will be tortoiseshell).

Now, it IS possible that there's a "leaky gene" effect going here - that the paradox animals have incomplete penetrance of the albino gene - but that's not the same thing as codominance.
ah ok maybe I got confused, as there was discussion of incomplete dominance as well. However going back to the flower example, would incomplete dominance produce a pink flower, or would that be co-dominance, I think I may have them the wrong way around?
__________________
If you ever see me in the flesh, feel free to buy me cider
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 09-10-2009, 11:42 AM
Ssthisto's Avatar
Read for Comprehension
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Huddersfield, West Yorks
Posts: 14,528
Blog Entries: 2
Send a message via Skype™ to Ssthisto
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bladeblaster View Post
ah ok maybe I got confused, as there was discussion of incomplete dominance as well. However going back to the flower example, would incomplete dominance produce a pink flower, or would that be co-dominance, I think I may have them the wrong way around?
Incomplete dominance produces the pink flower.
Codominance produces a red and white patched flower.
__________________
- Ssthisto

"My bum has been a bum for a very long time, but that doesn't mean I have to listen to what it says."
- Terry Pratchett, Fifth Elephant

Member 1603 | Buyer Beware ....
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 09-10-2009, 11:47 AM
bladeblaster's Avatar
Postaholic Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Gloucester
Posts: 10,135
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ssthisto View Post
Incomplete dominance produces the pink flower.
Codominance produces a red and white patched flower.
thats what I thought

So in the case of a paradox then 'if it were possible genetically' the visual result would be co-dominant as visually it has patches of both. If it were incomplete dominant it would look more hypo but the same all over?
__________________
If you ever see me in the flesh, feel free to buy me cider
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 09-10-2009, 12:03 PM
Ssthisto's Avatar
Read for Comprehension
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Huddersfield, West Yorks
Posts: 14,528
Blog Entries: 2
Send a message via Skype™ to Ssthisto
Default

Yeah, if there was a mutation of the known albino gene that made a new non-recessive trait when combined with normal, the "paradox" animal would be a codominant expression of the trait. And yes, the incomplete-dominant version would probably be a very ghostlike animal.
__________________
- Ssthisto

"My bum has been a bum for a very long time, but that doesn't mean I have to listen to what it says."
- Terry Pratchett, Fifth Elephant

Member 1603 | Buyer Beware ....
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Exotic Pet Sites


Help For Heros

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:56 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0
Copyright © 2005 - 2009, Reptile Forums UK (RFUK™)
Privacy Policy