Yeah me too, but none for sale anywhere as far as I could tell, only the one bred this year. Can't wait until the babies are big enough to produce my own Amel cinders, though must admit I'll be more interested in the caramel cinders

Did Rich show any photos of his hypo cinders shed out do you remember Nige? I haven't seen them, but might have missed them. They must be firsts, I know Carol had a suspected hypo cinder but it proved to be only het hypo when bred from ...

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no he never did add pics.
as for the hypoc, you can see them a mile off, not sure how it could be gotten wrong really.

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I think the issue with some of the suspected hypo Cs was because the keys where the gene came from has a natural hypo look to it to start with. So mate two "hypo" looking keys together, produce a cinder ... confusion arises whether it's a hypo cinder or just a cinder from hypo looking lines.

Both my adults are quite hypo looking I think, so will be cool to see the cinder vs. hypo cinder offspring they produce.

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am i allowed to drool over the keys corns?

much nicer than the cinders! (...yes, i'm prepared for a lynching!)

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so you have adult het hypoc ?
i will be getting 2005, so i know in advance that they will be 50-60 grams.. any more is a bonus i suppose.

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Yes I will permit you to drool over the keys ... lol (do you need some pics for your site btw? feel free)

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are they really that different toyah? the keys i mean>?

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Well, I would say subadult het hypo/c rather than adult. Not sure on exact weights off the top of my head, but the male is well over double that weight .. female is larger than the male.

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I am sure some locale enthusiasts would tell you they're really different, I think they're quite pretty, very hypo looking, pale backgrounds like Miami phase. Bellys are odd, like someone forgot to fill in all the checkers. I think they're very pretty, and I'm not a fan of "normal" normals.

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Me too

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