is it normal for a pede to kill every living thing in its tank then bury them and dig them up later when its hungary? if so seems quite clever for an invert.

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They generally do hate everything else on the planet with an undying passion yes.

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It's totally normal. If the prey is bothering them, they will kill it and burry it to consume later when it is hungry.

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lordie no..they jsut dont defend themselves, they see no interest...iv lost a few pedes to significantly smaller crickets. more so than spiders. 6inch pede, -1inch crik

It would be unusual if intentional, inverts are not supposed to be intelligent enough to remember things (bar one example of spider - Portia sp.). Iv never seen a pede go for something and not eat it, they usually leave it if they arent going to eat it. Thats 100% out of all relevant situations iv had with all of mine.
If they are hungry, they kill, they eat.
If they DID kill and leave, it would only eat it again if it happens to stumble across it.
Pedes are really dumb, much more than tarantulas thats for sure.


I think your giving them far too muhc on that. They are stimulus based and do not learn, thus do not remember

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Actually you can condition spiders and they do have good terraforming ability's especially when it comes to camouflage.

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hereditory memories, like a computers programmming..

explain in lamens terms your sentance, lol
I know terraforming as a process in regards to planetry re-forming
When you say condition spiders? 4 what?

Pedes are more simple than spiders none the less

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Possibly, terraforming is also the act of changing the scenery around you to. And conditioning could be viewed as programming a computer....if thats so we run on exactly the same basis. Most animals are more intelligent than we give them credit for. And hereditary memory's is a dubious theory at best.

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it does make things easier when cleaning the cage as remains are on top.

you say they dont remember or learn but mine seems to know the only way to climb onto the roof of the tank quite well

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Hereditory memory is not a theory its a label applied to pre-programmed action.
I studied it for 2yrs so i hope so:P
Its memories such as crying, if its not born with the knowledge, how does a baby know to cry upon entry to this planet. Its programmed pre-birth.


I agree, but terraforming of the type you mention, isnt a mark of intelligence and learning, its the animal doing what it knows..

Spiders have been around for a good 500,000,000 years or so, in this time they have learnt to dig, and to move the surroundings about to ensure they are safe, but thats not intelligent, thats inhereted memories again. Think of the pinpong ball the other thread, the spider is only reacting to 'something/anything' that is in its way.. it moved the ball out of the way, if it was smart it probably wouldnt have put it in the abck of its hide, but rather the side of the enclsoure.
Im sure it would end up by the usual pile the spdier makes.

Its the tarantulas habits.

Our brain is 100000x bigger and more complex than a tarantulas 2 gangleons, lol cant really relate a mamallian brain to invert.
We can work problems out and we have empathy, something considered a trait of intelligence, and complexity.
Id like to meet a tarantula that is concerned for my feelings, lol
I dont think they can be conditioned, they do what they know and nothing more.

Im not really in a thinky mood..its not working well today:P il find you some more relevant info about INvert intelligence...as soon as google works

My first point still holds..Pedes are not capable of conscious thought!

No invertebrate is (Generally speaking, again Portia sp. are considered an extremety, and do actually have a more advanced brain than most spiders, let alone inverts).

I for one, realise they are not stupid at all. THey are not simple in any sense.
In fact i see inverts as more advanced than humans.
Evolution is judged on generations. They reproduce much quicker than humans, theyv been around for much longer than humans too, thus lets say in the time humans have been around..lets hypothesis 10,000 years:P in those years wev reprodcued say.. 7,000 times.
If spiders had been around for the same length of time, they would probably have preproduced say 20000 times..
+ theyv been around for insane lengths of time longer than humans.
Evolution has recognised no need for conscious thought, theyv developed strong armour which still allows for agility, theyv developed many different ways of motion. They move if they need to and dont expend so much 'fuel'. Tarantulas can lower their metabolism to lower than a grapefruit for example.
they have chemical weaponry. They are much more evolved and advanced than humans.. it depends how you look at it. Im sure they will still be around WAAAAYYYYYY after humans have killed themselves lol

As said my brain aint working properly today..which is frustrating because im bablling around my point really:P

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Ah your going by your own definition of intelligence and consciousness there. There are different versions of intelligence and consciousness both in humans and in animals. Almost anything is conscious, tree's, animals and spiders but it depends what theory you apply yourself too.

Id agree with pre-programed actions however but again its still a theory that is being debated heavily within psychology. In fact ive designed a study in order to test the differences between wild caught and captive bred tarantulas on their ability to learn and change their environment, specifically the chilie rose which i intend on carrying out at some point as i do believe there are "some" learned ability's.

Also just because a tarantula is not friendly or has no concern for another tarantula or human does not make them any less intelligent or conscious, its just they lack the emotional intelligence that many other animals have. In fact id say this is better as its humans emotions that cause problems in the first place. I would say they have some levels of emotions though, however they do not slowly change like ours, they flip from one to the other, from complacency to "im going to eat your soul" extremely quickly.

The tarantula brain is also another complex thing, yes its only two ganglion's but the problem is translating our own brains to theres. I believe that one problem with studying animals is expecting them and judging them on how much they are like us. It could be said that they have removed the unnecessary stuff from their brain and has lead to a more efficient form.

In the case of the ball the animal treated it like an egg, other animals do the same especially younger ones. Even human children treat dolls like real baby's.

However i do agree that they certainly are more evolved than us, and im not arguing the point that they are just as intelligent as us, just that they have more intelligence than we give them credit for and the problem is that we judge them like we judge other animals.

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