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Old 09-08-2008, 09:09 AM
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The Mrs found a cricket in the bed last night. She wasn't too impressed, especially as my step son had one in his room recently and got bitten all over.
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Old 09-08-2008, 09:15 AM
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It's a yard spider,(Tegeneria agrestis) . I caught one a few years ago and it laid eggs. Let it go with the egg sac in the end. They look bit like small wolf spiders, whether they are related to the house spiders as are the other 2 below.

House Spider (Tegeneria domestica)
Cobweb Spider (Tegeneria gigantea)
Cardinal Spider (Tegeneria parientina)
Yard Spider (Tegeneria agrestis)
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Old 09-08-2008, 09:22 AM
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Heres a beasty thats living in my shed, Its made a massive web and is quite a large spider.





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It's a yard spider,(Tegeneria agrestis) . I caught one a few years ago and it laid eggs. Let it go with the egg sac in the end. They look bit like small wolf spiders, whether they are related to the house spiders as are the other 2 below.

House Spider (Tegeneria domestica)
Cobweb Spider (Tegeneria gigantea)
Cardinal Spider (Tegeneria parientina)
Yard Spider (Tegeneria agrestis)
the T agrestis is also called the Hobo spider, i can assure you it is NOT one of these, these are reputed to have necrotic agents in the venom and the bites from this are often misidentified as Loxotheles bites.
Though there are well over 50 species, iirc something lie 100, as far as i no, its on the Agrestis that has any significance. The y ar often misidentified as the 'aggressive spider' people moften misinterpret the agrestis in the name, where as it US spider and are not in britain

Tegernaria sp are all very similair and pretty indestinguishable, your ONLY way to fully ID, would be to get it to a uni for proper micrscope id... which is pointless, lol
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the T agrestis is also called the Hobo spider, i can assure you it is NOT one of these, these are reputed to have necrotic agents in the venom and the bites from this are often misidentified as Loxotheles bites.
Though there are well over 50 species, iirc something lie 100, as far as i no, its on the Agrestis that has any significance. The y ar often misidentified as the 'aggressive spider' people moften misinterpret the agrestis in the name, where as it US spider and are not in britain

Tegernaria sp are all very similair and pretty indestinguishable, your ONLY way to fully ID, would be to get it to a uni for proper micrscope id... which is pointless, lol
If that's the case then one of my books on spiders has seriously mis named the yard spider (unless yard spider and the scientific name I found on website are both completely different species). either way it is a huge spider.
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the T agrestis is also called the Hobo spider, i can assure you it is NOT one of these, these are reputed to have necrotic agents in the venom and the bites from this are often misidentified as Loxotheles bites.
Though there are well over 50 species, iirc something lie 100, as far as i no, its on the Agrestis that has any significance. The y ar often misidentified as the 'aggressive spider' people moften misinterpret the agrestis in the name, where as it US spider and are not in britain

Tegernaria sp are all very similair and pretty indestinguishable, your ONLY way to fully ID, would be to get it to a uni for proper micrscope id... which is pointless, lol
I agree - its very hard to distinguish Tegenaria apart. I usually just suggest the two most commonly found species, Giganta and domestica (as far as I know these are pretty common anyway).

I actualy read something interesting where they think thats its not the venom that is necrotic, but a bacteria that associates with the spider and lives on its chelicera. I can't remember the paper however...
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ive got a gigantea in my shed to ,made a massive web across the corner with a funnel gets any escaped crickets
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just looks like a very big house spider

I agree but im no spider expert
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I agree - its very hard to distinguish Tegenaria apart. I usually just suggest the two most commonly found species, Giganta and domestica (as far as I know these are pretty common anyway).

I actualy read something interesting where they think thats its not the venom that is necrotic, but a bacteria that associates with the spider and lives on its chelicera. I can't remember the paper however...
thats interesting, give me a pm if you remember the study where you read that, id definately be interested to read myself. Its quite likely as iv udnerstood that the potency of the venom hasnt been established, or even any necrotic agents though i have read a study into it and that confirmed necrotic agents, or atleast necrosis.

Agrestis translates to 'of the field' so yard spider has probably derived from the T agrestis, but i would imagine its used for others too
T agrestis is a smaller Tegenaria, certainly wouldnt be a hobo if it was considered big.

oh yeh, T gigantea is actually a junior synonym of T duellica (1875)
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oh yeh, T gigantea is actually a junior synonym of T duellica (1875)
Ah I see....yet more confusing spider taxonomy...I wish they would hurry up and sort out the arachnids, its a shambles.
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