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Old 25-01-2008, 11:59 AM
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I did read this on one site and got me a little worried. I dont think this is the case mind, according to all other sites i've looked at the Israeli Gold is just the common name for Scorpio maurus palmatus.

I believe the confusion comes in as the Deathstalker (Ive read the scientific name is Leiurus quinquestriatus) does have the common name of Israeli Desert Scorpion. So very similar

Thanks for those links Corpselight, top one was good...saw a couple of nice 'uns on there. Havn't had chance to do any research on any of them yet mind so something to keep me busy this weekend!! Did see he was able to get jumping spider as well...i know NOTHING about these but got me interested as i was fascinated by them on a TV programme i saw recently
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no idea about jumping spiders, sorry. if you email him to ask, though, he may have some leads. he gets some crazy inverts in!
his stall is one of my faves at the shows.
we do have some native jumping spiders in the UK, though...you may be lucky enough to catch one if you keep an eye out!

as for the deathstalker reference...this is yet another example of the problem of using common names! scientific names would eliminate any possible ambiguity here.
pretty sure the Deathstalker (Leiurus quinquestriatus) has a much fatter tail then Scorpio maurus, but there are probably loads of other differences as well.
Also, Androctonus australis, apparently the scorpion that causes the most deaths per year, is occasionally mis-labelled as a "Desert Hairy" (H. arizonensis). so be aware...mistakes can happen
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Old 25-01-2008, 12:07 PM
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Nobody could confuse a LQ for a Maurus after ever seeing a picture of either of them or actually owning both.

Ask sellers for the latin name before buying, but if you pay Maurus prices and end up with an LQ then be happy
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i know of places that have had shipments of s. maurus's in and theres been yellow fat tails in there A.Austrualis.

the claws are the give away that its a s.maurus as no gold scorps from that region have that sized claws.
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Ask sellers for the latin name before buying, but if you pay Maurus prices and end up with an LQ then be happy
...and a little worried at the same time

I do like the maurus palmatus and like that they stay reasonably small. Although i understand they are not always the easiest to get hold of and often wc adults...ideally i would rather have one from a younger age.

The Hadrurus arizonensis seems a little easier to get hold of and a few have said their care is reasonably easy so is always a good thing...havnt founds lods for sale so not sure if the 'wc adults' is the norm for these as well.

Decisions desicions...still plenty of time for reading up mind but im glad i got quite a few choices in the end and there are a few more (not sure of the names now and cant access the site in work) that i wouldnt mind reading up a bit into. Think Dune Scorpion was one of them...

In regards to the Lq's, are these something that should require DWAL?
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...and a little worried at the same time

I do like the maurus palmatus and like that they stay reasonably small. Although i understand they are not always the easiest to get hold of and often wc adults...ideally i would rather have one from a younger age.

The Hadrurus arizonensis seems a little easier to get hold of and a few have said their care is reasonably easy so is always a good thing...havnt founds lods for sale so not sure if the 'wc adults' is the norm for these as well.

Decisions desicions...still plenty of time for reading up mind but im glad i got quite a few choices in the end and there are a few more (not sure of the names now and cant access the site in work) that i wouldnt mind reading up a bit into. Think Dune Scorpion was one of them...

In regards to the Lq's, are these something that should require DWAL?
S.Maurus Palmatus are hard as anything to breed, I am currently trying and have been for the past 2 years with no success so far, but hoping thats going to change soon, I would say all Maurus you will see for sale will be WC as CB would fetch a noticeably larger price, you can get WC sub adults a lot of the time but I don't see any problem with having WC adults, they in my experience live for between 3 - 5 years which isnt that bad really when they sell for £10 - £30.

H.A's are easy to get hold of and the care is as easy IMO as the Maurus, H.A's for sale will also be WC.

If you can get hold of Smeringus mesaensis(Dune Scorp) then get it, they are one of my all time favourite species.

LQ's are on the DWA but IMO there shouldn't be a need for DWA with scorpions for experienced keepers, a simple consultation could weed out idiots and then you should be no more restricted IMO on keeping a H.A than you should a LQ, a lot of scorpions that are on the DWA are on there purely for being in the same genus as some toxic ones(all of Buthidae etc), for example a good mate of mine is currently breeding a lot of DWA scorps including hard to get hold of Babycurus Jacksoni, he doesn't have a DWAL so he can't sell or advertise them unless its privately to people he trusts or through a friend with a shop, he has more experience with scorpions than 95% of the people I know but still 'by law' is not entitled to have the animals he does, its mental.

Also IMO, anyone who is capable of safely and responsibly owning a H.A or S.Maurus is easy competent enough to own 'DWA' scorps.
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i couldn't agree more, Young Gun!!!
most Buthids for example are no more harmful than most other scorps.
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Babycurus Jacksoni is the other one i saw on the link posted by Corpselight, cant remember if it was currently available mind or available to order.

The dune scorp was on there as well...but same thing, i cant remember if it was available currently or available to order.

I pretty much fancy owning all the ones mentioned so far, ill just need to do as much research on all of these as i can, understand their care needs and then when the time comes to buy one see what is available. I only intend starting off with one but i will add to this and would like to think i could end up with a few of the ones mentioned by the end of the year.

Im not overly bothered about how 'dangerous' the one i get can be. Ive read up in the past quite a bit about people keeping DWA snakes and have got a few ideas that could be put into practice with scorps (or any dangerous animal really) when it comes to cleaning out time/daily maintenance etc such as partitioning off one half of the tank etc.
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If the Babycurus were available in the UK send me the link please.

I treat every animal I own as if it is DWA, then it doesn't matter whether they are packing a punch or just a tickle
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They were on Supplier and breeder of insects and arachnids in the UK

I got it a little wrong, they are not currently available and it does not mention they are available to order. He does have pictures of ones he has kept mind so maybe you could give him an email and he might be able to get some.
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They were on Supplier and breeder of insects and arachnids in the UK

I got it a little wrong, they are not currently available and it does not mention they are available to order. He does have pictures of ones he has kept mind so maybe you could give him an email and he might be able to get some.
MG doesn't have any and doesn't get them in as far as I am aware
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