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Old 26-02-2015, 08:34 AM
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Old 26-02-2015, 09:21 AM
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I was just about to post the same poem! Well done!

People, we must unite. If we don't like how "shows/ markets / whatever" are run, then we, as a hobby and individual hobbyist should "regulate" that. Perhaps by voting with our wallets and only buying from breeders who's husbandry we agree with. However, we cannot have others just walk in and tell us what we can and cannot do. First it will be the shows, then it will be the sale of reptiles, then it will be the keeping of them. We live in the UK because we value democracy. As long as what we are doing is not harming others (people and animals) we must be free to do it.

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Old 26-02-2015, 10:20 AM
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Yeh, sorry.. Maybe I should of added a link so you could realise why this poem is poignant to this subject.... My bad...
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Old 26-02-2015, 10:32 AM
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Yeh, sorry.. Maybe I should of added a link so you could realise why this poem is poignant to this subject.... My bad...

I understand the poem completely - I actually think it is somewhat disrespectful to use it in this context
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Old 26-02-2015, 10:35 AM
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I do not attend UK reptile markets/shows in any capacity any more and unfortunately have not met you. The last ones I attended were the Maidstone one in 2008 and prior to that an IHS show in Walsall in the 90s.
Ok my mistake, thought we had.

Maybe try going again, while there is any, great place to meet people and share.

I know you would post back and say what a cruel place they are and you would never go again, small boxes, battery you said.

Just put yourself in the antis shoes for a second, you and I keep reptiles in a box, we as a hobby sometimes get into arguments about my box is bigger than your box, but it is a box.

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Old 26-02-2015, 10:43 AM
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Maybe try going again, while there is any, great place to meet people and share.
I found that with the reptile shops and they are there all the time. JG Animals is Streatham used to be a hive of activity on a Saurday morning and John was the reptile Oracle
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Old 26-02-2015, 11:10 AM
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Keep on donating people

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Old 26-02-2015, 11:13 AM
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Ok my mistake, thought we had.

Maybe try going again, while there is any, great place to meet people and share.

I know you would post back and say what a cruel place they are and you would never go again, small boxes, battery you said.

Just put yourself in the antis shoes for a second, you and I keep reptiles in a box, we as a hobby sometimes get into arguments about my box is bigger than your box, but it is a box.
Actually it was me that mentioned battery farming and it was taken a little out of context.
We are digressing a bit from the thread here, but I will explain a little;
I have nothing against "reptile shows" though I have never been to one. I think we should all retain the right to go if we wish, and not be dictated to by others.
I have nothing against the FBH and am glad they are fighting for us, we need someone to represent our side of the argument. I have no problem with them requesting donations to fight our corner. A little more information would not have gone amiss though for those of us with our heads in the sand (me, not others.)
I do not wish this to digress into a viv/rub debate as it wasn't my point.
But I firmly believe that while we as a hobby are promoting keeping reptiles in rack systems, where you cannot even see the animals you are keeping, the "general public" will be persuaded by the anti's to believe that this is just the same as "battery farming." If not that, then animal hoarding rather than "pet keeping" (again, lets not digress into the "pet" debate, we are concerned with the public's perception, not our own!)
If we are really worried about the stance the anti's are taking, we should get down to the unpleasant job of getting our house in order at the same time, and try and set some "universal standards". I am not naive enough to believe people will stick to them.

As I have said many times, I don't care how others keep their snakes or why.
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Old 26-02-2015, 12:28 PM
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Thank you.

Now,

This will be my last post, because frankly I am tired of the myopic individuals posting on this site.

The Judicial Review taking place on the 4th June 2015 at the high court in London is being held so that a judge can decide whether or not breeders meetings are; LEGAL or NOT.

He he decideds not, then all breeders meetings of vertabrate animals from mice to pidgeons will be deemed illegal. NO more shows every, the anti's score big time before moving on to the next step - E Toland of the APA stated on national TV that they wanted all reptile keeping in the UK stopped.

If he decides they are legal, then shows can go ahead, and the FBH can concentrate on fighting for YOUR rights to keep YOUR animals, against whatever is thrown at us next.

If you cannot understand that, then I will not waste anymore of my free time.

Thank you again to all that have supported us, and continue to do so.

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Old 26-02-2015, 12:40 PM
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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