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Old 15-05-2012, 04:22 PM
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Hey everyone
A few days ago I bought from Wilkinson's store "Beaphar Reptile Minerals"
I got it for a Rana.temporaria froglet and have been dusting her Wax-worms with it she has got allot fatter and grown with it a few mm's with it and i was wondering is it ok for her it doesn't say for frogs, i will post what it says on their website about it
"Powdered food supplement for reptiles: lizards, chameleons, monitors, iguanas, snakes, tortoises, turtles and terrapins, etc.

Food supplement for reptiles in powdered form. Suitable for lizards, chameleons, monitors, iguanas, snakes, tortoises, turtles and terrapins, etc. Reptile Minerals is a scientifically balanced preparation, specially designed to provide your animals' daily requirement of calcium, vitamins, minerals and trace elements. Simply sprinkle over moistened food each day."

I have been giving her it and she hasn't changed at all except getting a few mm's bigger. So whats your opinion on it?
EDIT:
Analysis-
Crude protein 0.8%, Crude fat 0.5%, Crude fiber 0%, ash 37.4%, moisture 20%, calcium 14%, phosphorus 4.3%, Sodium 0.6%, magnesium 1.5%, potassium 3.9%
Ingredients-
Milk & milk derivatives, minerals, various sugar 0.2%

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Old 15-05-2012, 04:26 PM
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Personally, if it doesnt say "Suitable for Amphibians" on it, I wouldnt use it :/ could be wrong though but I wouldnt trust the stuff but just because its grown a few mm's, thats no indication that it could be the Supplement that has caused that. Could just be coincidence or timing lol

But in all honesty if it is bad for Amphibians, you should of checked while you were purchasing or just researched into it more, but everyone makes mistakes lol Did you ask anyone in the Shop??
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Old 15-05-2012, 04:40 PM
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Personally, if it doesnt say "Suitable for Amphibians" on it, I wouldnt use it :/ could be wrong though but I wouldnt trust the stuff but just because its grown a few mm's, thats no indication that it could be the Supplement that has caused that. Could just be coincidence or timing lol

But in all honesty if it is bad for Amphibians, you should of checked while you were purchasing or just researched into it more lol Did you ask anyone in the Shop??
Just added the ingredients on if that helps?
Well Wilkinsons isn't much for pets and i did ask but the lady said "I'm sorry i don't want to say yes and kill your frog, I don't know if it is suitable for frogs"
And it doesn't say "Not suitable for amphibians" So I did go and stupidly buy it with out asking on any of the forums
But like you said we make mistakes right? So would the ingredients help find out if its ok?
But the Beaphar website didn't help when i went on it just now to post this thread they don't even post the ingredients
Just spent five minuets editing the top post copying of whats on the box
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Old 15-05-2012, 04:47 PM
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Just added the ingredients on if that helps?
Well Wilkinsons isn't much for pets and i did ask but the lady said "I'm sorry i don't want to say yes and kill your frog, I don't know if it is suitable for frogs"
And it doesn't say "Not suitable for amphibians" So I did go and stupidly buy it with out asking on any of the forums
But like you said we make mistakes right? So would the ingredients help find out if its ok?
But the Beaphar website didn't help when i went on it just now to post this thread they don't even post the ingredients
Just spent five minuets editing the top post copying of whats on the box
Well in all honesty it just lists out Reptile Species/Types so I think its safe to say the use is solely for Reptiles and not Amphibians. But personally I would never get my Animal stuff anywhere appart from a Specialist or a Pet supplier that sells specific known reptile makes lol
Well we do all make mistakes its human but to be safe I would stop using it and maybe phone the company up (depending where they are based) and ask them.if its ok for Amphibs lol they will tell you either way (personally they will say no because it doesnt state amphibs on the packaging and they dont want a law suite to come from it or a bad reputation! Lol)
Well even with the Ingrediants I still would wait before using it just incase
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Old 15-05-2012, 09:52 PM
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I have Komodo Premium insect dusting powder, bearded dragon, amphibian and leopard gecko. The analysis on each lable is identical, I could have bought any one jar and, according to the analysis, used it for all three animals. Don`t know if this helps or not but I doubt you can do a lot of harm if you use your Wilkinsons powder until you can get some definitive advice.
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Old 16-05-2012, 11:24 AM
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Most reptile/amphibian supplements are really designed for reptiles, from Nutrobal on down, and we all use them without worrying about it- or any obvious harm. Repashy probably do 'phib-specific ones, but I don't know for sure.
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Old 16-05-2012, 12:24 PM
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As Ron says I think that it will be fine.Years ago before reptile specific supplements I used to use SA37 (for mammals) and Abidec(for babies).Unless you really look into the supplementation you are really led by the experiences of others.Their requirements will vary from species to species and most vitamins are for a broad range anyway.
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Old 16-05-2012, 01:06 PM
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Quick bit of research later....

Calcium to Phosphorus ratios in supplements...

28:1 - repashy calcium plus
46:1 - nutrobal
22% calcium - repton (no phopsphorus)

whereas Beaphar Reptile Minerals is only 3:1

So i'd personally be very wary of using it longterm.

Nutritional Value/Composition of Livefood (Invertebrate) : Leeds Reptile Shop
Info on livefood Ca:P ratios

I don't get the ins and outs, but taking into consideration the low calcium: high phosphorus content in livefoods, and 2:1 being the accepted "good ratio" a 3:1 supplement just doesn't come close enough to leveling it out.

The "Simply sprinkle over moistened food" makes me uneasy... as I believe herps that eat salads etc (which is what that implies to me) need a different ratio, especially tortoises
(I bought 1:1 Calci:Phos in my early days as a supplement for my toads. I lost most to Metabolic Bone Disease, still have two but they have irreversable bone damage/deformities & I believe the supplement was to blame moreso than the lack of UV which was originally suggested to me)

Oh, and OP, go easy on the waxies otherwise your frog won't be able to climb the walls as per your other post.


* The above research journey led me to finding info on the ca:p ratio of fruits and vegetables (which we in turn feed to livefood)
Here's a table for anyone interested - Calcium and Phosphorus Content of Selected Foods
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