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Old 25-07-2020, 11:19 AM
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Hi, im new in Leopard Gecko world, i just buy this gecko and the seller said its murphy patternless, but looking from its data, I doubt it, its tremper het ember X Raptor, so what morp is my gecko?

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Old 29-07-2020, 12:38 AM
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It is a Murphy patternless but it is also Talbino and also Eclipse, The morph name for this combo is a Ember. So if this was the parents, Tremper het ember X Raptor. The RAPTOR was infact also HET Murphy patternless.

The full genetics for your leo is a Talbino, eclipse, Murphy patternless, patternless reverse striped. The easy name is Ember.
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Leopard gecko morph info.
[1C]-1 Copy = (Heterozygous).
[2C]-2 Copy = (Homozygous).
Snow SPLIT Super snow = (Mack).
[1C]Snow,[2C]Snow = (TUG,GEM).
Tinted = (False eclipse).
Hyper aberrant = (Jungle).
Tremper albino = (Talbino).
Bell albino = (Balbino).
Rainwater albino = (Ralbino).
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Old 30-07-2020, 06:23 AM
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i see, thank you very much for your answer! i tried breed this Leo with other Murphy Patternless, and the result is tangerine, is it really possible? i mean MP x MP suppose to be 100%mp right?
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Old 31-07-2020, 12:51 AM
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i see, thank you very much for your answer! i tried breed this Leo with other Murphy Patternless, and the result is tangerine, is it really possible? i mean MP x MP suppose to be 100%mp right?
Yes, patternless X patternless = patternless. Show a pic's of the other patternless & offspring, has the breeding female been housed with any other males? Sperm storage maybe possible.
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Leopard gecko morph info.
[1C]-1 Copy = (Heterozygous).
[2C]-2 Copy = (Homozygous).
Snow SPLIT Super snow = (Mack).
[1C]Snow,[2C]Snow = (TUG,GEM).
Tinted = (False eclipse).
Hyper aberrant = (Jungle).
Tremper albino = (Talbino).
Bell albino = (Balbino).
Rainwater albino = (Ralbino).
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Old 31-07-2020, 03:00 AM
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Yes, patternless X patternless = patternless. Show a pic's of the other patternless & offspring, has the breeding female been housed with any other males? Sperm storage maybe possible.
not a chance, I raise this Leo from 3 months old, and breed it in my place where I only have 1 Male
this are some photos of the male Leo claimed to be SNOW LF MP ENIGMA

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qvo47h57hw...1%29.jpeg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gcm4oqfa3n...2%29.jpeg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dnhjyi6vj4...6.09.jpeg?dl=0
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Old 02-08-2020, 04:45 AM
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not a chance, I raise this Leo from 3 months old, and breed it in my place where I only have 1 Male
this are some photos of the male Leo claimed to be SNOW LF MP ENIGMA

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qvo47h57hw...1%29.jpeg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gcm4oqfa3n...2%29.jpeg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dnhjyi6vj4...6.09.jpeg?dl=0
I see no reason why he's not a Snow patternless enigma, what's the LF? Lemon frost? Do you have any pic's of the Tangerine offspring?
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Leopard gecko morph info.
[1C]-1 Copy = (Heterozygous).
[2C]-2 Copy = (Homozygous).
Snow SPLIT Super snow = (Mack).
[1C]Snow,[2C]Snow = (TUG,GEM).
Tinted = (False eclipse).
Hyper aberrant = (Jungle).
Tremper albino = (Talbino).
Bell albino = (Balbino).
Rainwater albino = (Ralbino).

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Old 02-08-2020, 05:54 AM
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I see no reason why he's not a Snow patternless enigma, what's the LF? Lemon frost? Do you have any pic's of the Tangerine offspring?
yes Lemon Frost, here is the childs pic

https://www.dropbox.com/s/65qeamub2f...94442.jpg?dl=0
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Old 02-08-2020, 09:27 PM
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yes Lemon Frost, here is the childs pic

https://www.dropbox.com/s/65qeamub2f...94442.jpg?dl=0
Based on the offspring results, I'd say the female is a really good example of a Talbino eclipse patternless reverse striped (RAPTOR), no Murphy patternless but she's very clean she looks it.

Based on what i see so far. Left to right.
Baby-1 Eclipse patternless reverse striped.
Baby-2 Tricky one but on what I'm seeing, Super hypo enigma tangerine.
Baby-3 Jungle.
Baby-4 Jungle enigma.
Baby-5 Looks like a Eclipse banded maybe just hitting being a Jungle. Need better eye pic, maybe snow but need a day old pic.
Baby-6 Jungle, maybe snow but need a day old pic.
Baby-7 Enigma Jungle tangerine.
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Leopard gecko morph info.
[1C]-1 Copy = (Heterozygous).
[2C]-2 Copy = (Homozygous).
Snow SPLIT Super snow = (Mack).
[1C]Snow,[2C]Snow = (TUG,GEM).
Tinted = (False eclipse).
Hyper aberrant = (Jungle).
Tremper albino = (Talbino).
Bell albino = (Balbino).
Rainwater albino = (Ralbino).

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Old 02-08-2020, 09:55 PM
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There is another morph she could be and thinking on it most likely, that would explain why see looks Murphy patternless but not, would explain Murphy patternless look but off results.

Talbino eclipse blizzard-(Diablo blanco), Coz they are from eclipse line = typically more tangerine. When mature they can look very Murphy patternless. But Murphy patternless X Blizzard = Normal HET Both.
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Leopard gecko morph info.
[1C]-1 Copy = (Heterozygous).
[2C]-2 Copy = (Homozygous).
Snow SPLIT Super snow = (Mack).
[1C]Snow,[2C]Snow = (TUG,GEM).
Tinted = (False eclipse).
Hyper aberrant = (Jungle).
Tremper albino = (Talbino).
Bell albino = (Balbino).
Rainwater albino = (Ralbino).
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Old 04-08-2020, 05:45 AM
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There is another morph she could be and thinking on it most likely, that would explain why see looks Murphy patternless but not, would explain Murphy patternless look but off results.

Talbino eclipse blizzard-(Diablo blanco), Coz they are from eclipse line = typically more tangerine. When mature they can look very Murphy patternless. But Murphy patternless X Blizzard = Normal HET Both.
Yes I'm totally agree with your opinion in Blizzard!

so for now she will be blizzard, will update you when there is another possibility! thank you so much Gazz for your information
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