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Old 06-07-2017, 11:59 AM
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I think the way this thread has unfolded precisely underlines my point.
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Old 06-07-2017, 01:25 PM
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I think the way this thread has unfolded precisely underlines my point.
Indeed Especially when they frantically update their Facebook page, and remove their Just Giving page asking for donations!
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Indeed Especially when they frantically update their Facebook page, and remove their Just Giving page asking for donations!
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Old 07-07-2017, 08:01 AM
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it was actually my wife who set that page up and it was me who took it down as dont want to upset anyone for rescuing ill and abused animals now would i. Heaven for bid i took on someone elses problem and not ask for a little help. Me bad
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it was actually my wife who set that page up and it was me who took it down as dont want to upset anyone for rescuing ill and abused animals now would i. Heaven for bid i took on someone elses problem and not ask for a little help. Me bad
The issue was more the fact you stated you never asked for money/donations, which actually wasn't true.
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it was actually my wife who set that page up and it was me who took it down as dont want to upset anyone for rescuing ill and abused animals now would i. Heaven for bid i took on someone elses problem and not ask for a little help. Me bad
That is not a rescue. That is someone looking to get joe public to pay for their hobby.
You said that you have regular inspections as a DWAL holder. But DWAL holders only get checked when the licence is up for renewal. Every other year.
Rescuing ill/abused animals is highly laudable, but you cannot ask the public to then pay for it. The animals you listed, including a multi gene morph boa, suggest that really you wanted others to cover the cost of your animals. That is not a rescue. A rescue takes in unwanted animals and rehomes them.
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Which is why I have been unable to register the S.O.S (Save Our Sungazers) Campaign as a charity.

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you actually need to be taking donations of over £5000 to be able to register as a charity.
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Which is why I have been unable to register the S.O.S (Save Our Sungazers) Campaign as a charity.
Same reason why North East Reptile rescue isn't registered either. £5k is a lot of money, you'd need to spend a lot of time fundraising to bring that in. Can do a CIO though to become registered similarly to a Ltd without that level of fundraising so we'll look at that when I've got some time

Our LA say we don't need a PSL, but it's a very grey area so on advice we've stopped asking for rehome fees, relying instead on voluntary donations, which has almost zeroed our income. We've got the usual mountain of beardies, corns, kings, boas and horsefields - it's 99% the really common stuff we take in, collect it, nurse back to health, pay the vet bills, advertise it to rehome, deliver it so we can personally inspect the enclosure and verify it's as claimed, and then get someone with a half million pound house saying they'd take it if we provided the setup etc free too, or that they'd give us a small donation but they know we get the animals for free. Now I have a good job, and can put about 15% of my gross salary into the rescue, we take in about 100 animals a year, if we had the funds, the staff and the room we could treble that easily, and that's the bit all these debates miss - there's a need, it's not being fulfilled elsewhere, and it never will be.

It's always interesting reading these threads, listening to us all get damned as freebie hunters by hobbyists and demeaned by those who run such services themselves off the side of existing animal businesses as somehow less just because we're not profiting off of it. Yes there are crappy rescues out there, there are lots of dodgy freebie hunters around, but dishonesty exists in all walks of life.

For all the rescue sector is by no means perfect, I'd put us way above the most lauded, worshipped and respected people on here who are that sector of the hobby that keeps on churning out deformed animals with serious physical and neurological problems just to line their pockets with obscene amounts of cash. It's laughable that the hobby put these people up on a pedestal while damning folks like us who dig deep into their own pockets to take care of the hobby's unwanted
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"For all the rescue sector is by no means perfect, I'd put us way above the most lauded, worshipped and respected people on here who are that sector of the hobby that keeps on churning out deformed animals with serious physical and neurological problems just to line their pockets with obscene amounts of cash. It's laughable that the hobby put these people up on a pedestal while damning folks like us who dig deep into their own pockets to take care of the hobby's unwanted"


I have a certain amount of sympathy with this, but there are few ways of looking at it.

Nobody is forcing you to take on these animals. I have many unwanted animals too. Chances are, if you don't take them, they will be sold to, or taken in by, someone else. It can be hard to remember, but it is true. It should be a labour of love, although it will have frustrating/tough times - I certainly went through the ringer with the terrapins, but it was my call. you should not bankrupt yourself or diminsh your quality of life for the sake of these creatures. This leaves aside all of the flippers and hoarders; I mean the masochists and martyrs giving themselves a distorted sense of purpose by becoming over-run with beardies and corn snakes. We are not heroes, we just have a lot of pets.

On the other hand, I agree. There are the preachers of OTT husbandry with 8 light bulbs a set-up, trying to out-do each other with the latest, strangest Wild Caught beastie. The supply of those animals necessitates a pyramid of animal sales of all kinds beneath them. Then you have the morph breeders, churning out racks of unwanted "normals" or, in some cases deformed creatures. Then the pet-shops, selling often over-priced animals to people with poor guidance who then cling to their animal until they realise they will never recoup the money. Having someone to mop up after the hobby doesn't seem a bad thing.

I'm being deliberately harsh on both groups there (I fall into both categories - although not a morph breeder), but I think it is worth considering before any of us get too indignant.
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Since I first started this thread I have seen a greater increase in adverts where people are offering to take reptiles for free, claiming to offer forever experienced homes to these reptiles, while at the same time running adverts with reptiles for sale, not for a nominal re-homing fee, but charging full price.


I am fortunate enough to have room for many reptiles, but I certainly couldn't keep advertising for more animals as I would run out of space.


Regardless of the issues in the hobby that we all know about such as unethical breeding and cramped housing etc etc, I am simply disappointed that these individuals are misrepresenting what they actually are. They are simply touting for free animals to sell on. This is in no way a criticism of genuine animal rescue organisations who do fantastic work. I just don't like liars who are trying to make money by masquerading as something virtuous.

And if you're annoyed by my post and you consider yourself a "real Reptile rescue" and you don't do the things I've described, don't bother to post as I obviously don't mean you do I?
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