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Old 11-01-2019, 11:08 AM
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Ultimately as Toby says at the beginning no one knows what will happen post 29th March, so the only sure fire way to get what you want is have it arrive before then.


Harry python does have a point though (I would never advocate smuggling), however if the existing deal goes through and the backstop comes into force between ROI and NI that may be a legitimate route to bring animals from the continent (admittedly it has the obvious downsides that the route is longer so the animals will be in transit longer and due to more ferry crossings, distances etc the costs will be more)

If the border does slam shut and it becomes more difficult there is of course a potential upside which is that it will be harder to smuggle animals which in turn will force people to purchase captive bred animals in the UK which in a round about way will potentially help wild populations (That's my trying to put a half glass full spin on things!)
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Old 13-01-2019, 05:11 PM
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Ultimately as Toby says at the beginning no one knows what will happen post 29th March, so the only sure fire way to get what you want is have it arrive before then.
We do know what will happen though. We will be a CITES member on our own, so all imports and exports of CITES species will require permits. In addition, all imports from the EU will also require an export permit from there.
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Old 13-01-2019, 10:34 PM
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Yes, every indication at this stage is that, as of April, the UK will be leaving the zone where agreed mutual CITES legislation exists with the EU.
Therefore anyone hoping to get any python species, including royals, from an EU source (or take out to sell in Europe) will need to arrange CITES permits for each animal. This will therefore make the process more difficult and expensive than it is now, where no such process is needed.

The Hamm and Houten shows in March will therefore be the last opportunity to trade with the EU on the existing terms, unless something is altered in either the timescale or the plan of exit.

InteRep is already well booked up in anticipation of this.

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Old 13-01-2019, 11:57 PM
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Yes, every indication at this stage is that, as of April, the UK will be leaving the zone where agreed mutual CITES legislation exists with the EU.
Therefore anyone hoping to get any python species, including royals, from an EU source (or take out to sell in Europe) will need to arrange CITES permits for each animal. This will therefore make the process more difficult and expensive than it is now, where no such process is needed.

The Hamm and Houten shows in March will therefore be the last opportunity to trade with the EU on the existing terms, unless something is altered in either the timescale or the plan of exit.

InteRep is already well booked up in anticipation of this.

www.interep.co.uk
Along with all boids, dart frogs, chelonia, the list goes on.
After 29/3, Hamm and Houten will no longer be the source of cheap animals.
Preplanning will be essential.
The new COTES Regs also allow DEFRA to determine which ports will be authorised to import CITES species.
I suspect these will be Dover for train and vehicle and Heathrow for air freight.
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Old 23-01-2019, 09:32 AM
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DEFRA / APHA have today advised that, in the event of a 'No Deal Brexit' scenario, current UK-issued Animal Transport Licenses would no longer be recognised at EU borders, meaning UK couriers won't be able to transport animals into the UK from Europe after March.

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Old 25-01-2019, 07:06 AM
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DEFRA / APHA have today advised that, in the event of a 'No Deal Brexit' scenario, current UK-issued Animal Transport Licenses would no longer be recognised at EU borders, meaning UK couriers won't be able to transport animals into the UK from Europe after March.

www.interep.co.uk
Can you post a link to that advise please? I've had a look and cannot see anything. There is nothing to stop private individuals doing this,providing they have the necesssary export and import permits for CITES species.
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Old 25-01-2019, 03:49 PM
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TM: I suppose it's okay for me to make public the content of the email sent to InteRep, as it details just such public information.
This is regard to the situation for Licensed transporters in the event of a No Deal scenario; the position hasn't changed since January of last year but the likelihood of it has...


Following the publication of technical notices in September 2018, on what will happen in the event of a no deal scenario, we want to draw your attention to the situation for Transport Authorisations and what you will need to do in order to continue to export live animals to the EU after day 1 in the event of no deal.

In January 2018, the EU commission confirmed that in the event of a no deal scenario when the UK exits the EU, they will no longer accept Transporter Authorisation, Certificates of Competence or Vehicle Approval Certificates issued by the UK authority. A link to the notice can be found here: https://ec.europa.eu/food/sites/food..._transport.pdf

Defra have been working to ensure this information is communicated to all relevant stakeholders and have published a series of Technical Notices, which can be viewed on the links below. In addition to transporter authorisation, the technical notices will provide additional information on other processes which may impact upon you or your business.
https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...u-with-no-deal
Exporting Animals and animal products is there’s no Brexit Deal
Importing Animals and animal products is there’s no Brexit Deal
Taking horses abroad if there is no Brexit deal

In the event of a no deal scenario, any transporter wishing to transport live animals into the EU will need to obtain new transport documentation issued by one of the EU27 Members States.
UK transporters wishing to transport live animals in the EU would need to appoint a representative within an EU country and apply to their relevant government department to obtain a valid Transporter Authorisation, Certificate of Competence, Vehicle Approval Certificate and, where necessary, a Journey Log.
Journey logs will need to be obtained from both APHA and the EU country that is the initial point of entry into the EU for export. Exporters would need to present their transport documentation at a Border Inspection Post in the EU.
UK-issued transport documentation would remain valid for transport within the UK only.
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