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Old 17-08-2009, 02:43 PM
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Old 17-08-2009, 03:05 PM
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It is indeed a juvenile GCN and totally protected by law.
Look, don't touch and then leave it in peace.

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I have to disagree with that - 99% sure it's an alpine newt. I've never seen a blue crestie, whereas alpines usually have this bluish/grey tinge. Also, I've never seen a crestie without the black belly blotches (although there is a lot of variation and sometimes the pattern is reduced), whereas alpines often have a plain orange belly, like the photo.

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Maybe too young to tell, but I think it might be a male also - those white bits along its back remind me of the alternating black and white you see on the low dorsal crest in breeding male alpines. I think some females have an orangey dorsal stripe?
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This newt is an Alpine newt, and the nominate form aswell... Mesotriton (formerly Triturus) alpestris alpestris, as can be told by appearance and throat. This species originates from western Europe. Nice find in some ways but not native to the UK.

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Maybe too young to tell, but I think it might be a male also - those white bits along its back remind me of the alternating black and white you see on the low dorsal crest in breeding male alpines. I think some females have an orangey dorsal stripe?
Absolutely right, it's a male. And females and juveniles do exhibit the orange stripe you mentioned, although not always. I keep this species and also the subspecies apaunus from high altitudes in northern Italy. These alpestris alpestris were almost certainly introduced with pond weed from France and have established a breeding colony over the years, but deliberate release can obviously not be ruled out.
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Plus it's a juvenile great crested newt.
It's really not a cristatus!
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It's really not a cristatus!
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I am still surprised at how chunky it is as all the alpines I've ever seen have been very slim unlike the GCN that have always been chunky.

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I am still surprised at how chunky it is as all the alpines I've ever seen have been very slim unlike the GCN that have always been chunky.

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I must admit that is one of the fattest alpines i've ever seen aswell! Especially for a male!
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I'd say that if they ever intend on building a road through your back garden just say that it was a GCN
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