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Old 31-08-2009, 11:42 AM
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Hi guys,

Just to introduce myself, I'm James, and I live in Leamington Spa in the Midlands.

So I'm new to this but have been doing my research for quite sometime now, I was going to get a leo about a year ago but was in the middle of moving and it kinda fell through as I had so much on etc. Now I think I'm ready to home my first reptile (Leo).

Now I've been looking at different vivs and I think I want to go for a 3X2X2 or slightly smaller to house a single leo (they dont get lonely do they?), if you think this would sufice? And if I can, it would be great to find a viv pretty much ready to go.

So I'm thinking of budget here, could I get a viv of this size, its habitat, and a Leo for around about £100? Can stretch further if needed, and might just go all out after seeing some Tremper Bandits, their colours are so vivid, gorgeous little critters!

Any help would be much appreciated

Oh and if anyone knows of good reptile shops in Warwickshire/West Midlands that would help a bunch too

Thanks

J

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Old 31-08-2009, 12:38 PM
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Hiya James - welcome. A few answers to some of your questions. Viv size: for one adult Leo a 2 foot viv would be perfectly adequate so you could save a bit of cash there. No Leos don't get lonely and often do much better on their own. Tbh I think you would be hard pushed to get the lot for £100 but so that you know the essentials and approx. prices:
Vivarium - £60 or you could at a push use a plastic faunarium £20
Heat mat - £15
Mat thermostat (don't try to do without this no matter what any shop tells you) £20
Thermometer - digital £6
Calcium - £3
Nutrobal - £5
Leo - £20 upwards
Livefood
Hides, water, food and calcium bowls can be improvised (Margarine tubs, jam jar lids - you get the idea) Paper towel or newspaper for substrate.
This is the most basic but adequate set up I can come up with. You may well be better looking in the Classifieds for a second hand set up. If you do just make sure you disinfect everything thoroughly.
Sorry don't know any of the rep shops in your area.
Good luck and enjoy your new little Leo.
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Old 31-08-2009, 06:03 PM
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Hi jools,

Thanks a bunch for getting back to me so soon, your help is much appreciated! I think I'm gonna go for a second hand set up, and maybe spend a little more on a Tremper bandit but unsure yet.

Would you know of any reputable (excuse the pun) dealers of Leo's/Bandits at all?

Thanks again,

J
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Old 31-08-2009, 06:10 PM
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welcome to the leo world!

getting started is a mine feild!!

i dont think leos get lonely. mine is by himself and seems happy!
i have him in an exo terra 45x45x60 cm and it is great! i would say for leos its not hight that is important but floor space. my gecko rarely climbs i have things he does climb up, like a big peice of bark! but he preffers to stay on the ground.

avoid pet shops if possible!! check any advise they give you with people on here before using it! no calsi sand pleasy!

finally, any specific Qs u have just ask on here! they are great.
i bought my leo on here and he is gorgous!!!

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Hi James, Ive recently bought a new leo and all is going well. A single leo will thrive when kept by on its own, a standard 40cm by 30cm should be fine for one leo. When I got my leo I got a starter deal for £100 for everything included (viv, hide, food, heat mat ect). Talk to your local Reptile shop, they should be able to do something like that for you
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Hi queenquack, why should pet shops be avoided, my leo is perfectly healthy
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Old 31-08-2009, 08:05 PM
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Many pet shops (NOT all) will give advice which can be dodgy to say the least. They will often advise start up kits which can be over priced and often contain things that you don't need (such as lamps), things that you really should avoid (such as calci-sand) and don't contain things that are essential (such as thermostats). The staff will do their best but are not usually specialists and not really able to advise on things like supplements. Some livestock from pet shops has been kept in sub-optimal conditions, often for long periods, and will therefore not be as healthy as they could be. It all depends on the shop but some are shockers!
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I see what you meen jools, when I bought my leo they had three female leos in a tank that should really only be big enough for 1 and did'nt have a single hide!
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Thanks Crown Prince Of Crime and queenquack, much needed advice. I did think they would need a longer rather than taller viv. I've got my eye on a bit of a package which includes:

Viv - 610mmX380mmX300mm
One large hide

Water bowl
Heat-mat with habistat thermostat
Wall thermometer
Heat light with cover
Glass door-lock
Piece of driftwood

It was used to house a corn snake originally and looks to be fine (pending a good clean)
Is there anything else I might need to add to this? food, calcium, and nutrobal?

Thanks in advance
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Old 01-09-2009, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesEK4 View Post
Thanks Crown Prince Of Crime and queenquack, much needed advice. I did think they would need a longer rather than taller viv. I've got my eye on a bit of a package which includes:

Viv - 610mmX380mmX300mm
One large hide

Water bowl
Heat-mat with habistat thermostat
Wall thermometer
Heat light with cover
Glass door-lock
Piece of driftwood

It was used to house a corn snake originally and looks to be fine (pending a good clean)
Is there anything else I might need to add to this? food, calcium, and nutrobal?

Thanks in advance

heya!!

you will need to dust food with nutrobal some days and calcium others- most people use calcium 5 days and nutrobal two- but you will also need calcium available at all times- just pop some in a plastic milk bottle lid.

you will also need more than one hide (at least one in the warm end and one in the cool end)

also a moist hide to aid in shedding- just cut a doorway in a cricket tub (make sure edges are not sharp) and fill with damp spaghnum moss or kitchen towel. spray daily to keep moist. adult females also favour these over laying boxes for their eggs in my experience.

if you are using a heatlamp rather than a heatmat (i use lamps but some favour mats) use a coloured bulb. you will not need both though.

also, what substrate are you planning on using?

i have found lino to be the best flooring to use- no chance of impaction, nowhere for crickets to hide, the easiest thing in the world to keep clean, and also the added bonus that when females are gravid they use the laying box or moist hide rather than digging up the entire enclosure, which makes checking for eggs so much easier lol!!!

oh, and you might also want a mealworm bowl if you plan on feeding them, they get everywhere otherwise!!


good luck finding your first leo- as mentioned above i would buy from a breeder on here rather than a shop- its easier to find people who keep detailed records and you can see the setup/conditions/parents etc. shops often have no idea where the leos are from, age, parents, any health probs...


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