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Old 09-12-2011, 05:22 PM
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Hey guys, back again with another probably-very-noob question, but I'm curious bugger, so here goes.

What's all this about CB numbers? I see people advertising their herp as 'CB10' or 'CB11', and I have absolutely no idea what the hell it means -- but I get the feeling I should, and that it's important. The way it's written tells me it's a classification of some sort, which in-turn tells me there's probably a set of guidelines somewhere, but Google isn't being my friend today. So, would anyone care to elaborate a bit, please?

Also, in much-less trivial news, tomorrow (Dec 10th) may well be the day I finally take the first steps to keeping geckos; my dad and I are going for a drive to Cardiff, to check out the exotic pet shops in the area, including Reptile Cymru, with the intent of looking at some vivariums and maybe picking up one with full set-up

I'll be honest, I like Reptile Cymru. Been there, got a good feel for the place; small but knowledgeable, they breed their own stock, the staff seemed trustworthy; generally they damn-well impressed me. My dad likes to shop around, though, so he also wants to check out the Cardiff Reptile Centre just down the road. Took a look at their website last night, they seem savvy enough, but we'll see what it's like when we get there.

Their price for an adult basic-morph Leo does not impress me, and their website doesn't state what morphs they stock. Their full set-up packages also don't include the vivarium itself, and they don't state whether they're breeders or they just buy the animals in; if it's the latter, I will expect someone to be reasonably knowledgeable on where/who their animals have come from, and be able to give me the basics on their stock (age, weight, gender if the animal is old enough), and I will be disappointed if they can't - and if they're not willing, they've already lost a potential customer.

Also, they stock Tokay Geckos; I find this in-itself to be a bit disconcerting. We all know most Tokays seen in pet shops are wild-caught and are likely to come with all the unfortunate trimmings that suggests. I will expect the staff to be upfront on whether their Tokays are wild-caught or or not; at the very least they should able to tell me either way. If they say their Tokays are captive-bred, I'll want some proof; I've always liked the loud-mouthed little buggers and I may consider acquiring one in the future, but I'm not willing to buy anything wild-caught.

So yes, tomorrow will be fun to say the least. Hopefully, I'll report back tomorrow evening having acquired a brand-new vivarium with full set-up. I plan to have the viv for a week or so before buying a gecko, to make sure I've got everything I should have and that everything's in working order. So, how do you guys go about setting up your leo vivs? ^_^
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Old 09-12-2011, 06:28 PM
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CB means captive bred, the number after it is the year, so both my Leos are CB11, which means captive bred this year. WC means wild caught, and there are others like LTC which means wild caught but long term captive (snakes more than anything).

Consider the classifieds - both of mine which are rather nice morphs, cost me £15 each.

Bear in mind, a Tokay has different husbandry than a Leopard, just in case you fancy one tomorrow at the shop!
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CB means captive bred, the number after it is the year, so both my Leos are CB11, which means captive bred this year. WC means wild caught, and there are others like LTC which means wild caught but long term captive (snakes more than anything).
Thanks for that, it was staring me in the face now that I think about it. Sometimes my brain just requires a sharp verbal smack upside the head for something to make sense.

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Consider the classifieds - both of mine which are rather nice morphs, cost me £15 each.
I am thinking about it, but I'd really rather purchase my first animal from someone I know has at least a few years' worth of breeding experience behind them.

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Bear in mind, a Tokay has different husbandry than a Leopard, just in case you fancy one tomorrow at the shop!
I know Tokays have different husbandry, and I have absolutely no intention of purchasing an animal I don't know how to care for.
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:30 PM
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Thanks for that, it was staring me in the face now that I think about it. Sometimes my brain just requires a sharp verbal smack upside the head for something to make sense.



I am thinking about it, but I'd really rather purchase my first animal from someone I know has at least a few years' worth of breeding experience behind them.



I know Tokays have different husbandry, and I have absolutely no intention of purchasing an animal I don't know how to care for.
The shops don't breed them themselves, they use private breeders. I, for instance, have recently sold 12 baby corns to a pet shop. They never asked me any questions, just agreed to buy them. They were actually quite shocked when I turned up with feeding/shedding records for all of them. All you are doing by buying from the classifieds is cutting out the expensive middle man.
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Hey guys, just dropping by with the after-action report of today's vivarium hunt. What a freakin' day!

We visited Reptile Cymru first-and-foremost, and came away with a larger setup than I was hoping for - we got the 3ft Nocturnal setup (36"L x 18"W x 18"D viv, plus the usual kit of heat mat/thermostat/lighting and hides), and honestly I would have been pleased if my dad had stopped the buck there...but he didn't.

I am now the proud owner of a normal-morph female and - get this - a Blazing Blizzard, also female.

And this is the best part: we got both for just £75. That BlazBliz is normally a solid £100 on her own. I was, and kinda-sorta still am, justifiably stunned by today's turn of events.

One of the geckos is 6 months old, and the other is a year-and-a-half old; I'm not sure which is which, it was explained to me, but in the confusion I forgot to write it down. I decided to take the viv and setup immediately, but to leave the Leos at the shop for a few days, to give me time to set up the viv, make sure that there isn't a problem with any of the equipment, and to monitor my room and the viv for temperature variations. Once everything is toot-sweet, we'll go back down next saturday - but possibly sometime during the week if my dad gets home early enough - and pick up my new room-mates.

The normal-morph was incredibly active, inquisitive, and friendly. She seemed really used to being handled, and even seemed to enjoy it. The Blazing Blizzard was a little more shy, but that's by no-means a drawback.

We got the kit home around 2pm-ish, it's now almost 7pm, and I am still shaking from the excitement. This is insane! I keep pinching myself, to see if I don't wake up or something! :P
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The shops don't breed them themselves, they use private breeders. I, for instance, have recently sold 12 baby corns to a pet shop. They never asked me any questions, just agreed to buy them. They were actually quite shocked when I turned up with feeding/shedding records for all of them. All you are doing by buying from the classifieds is cutting out the expensive middle man.
Ah, but that's the difference with Reptile Cymru - they do have an on-site breeding program, and try to produce their own stock where/whenever possible, and I thoroughly commend them for that.

Like I said - it gives me confidence, knowing I'm buying from people who really know what they're doing.
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Are you planning on housing those two together?
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Are you planning on housing those two together?
No, absolutely not. Differing husbandry requirements means seperate housing. I know people have had some success in keeping Leos together with Cresties, but I'm not sure it's even safe to keep Leos and Tokays together. They have different habits, and different habitats. I can tell you with absolute certainty that I wouldn't even think about trying that.
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No, absolutely not. Differing husbandry requirements means seperate housing. I know people have had some success in keeping Leos together with Cresties, but I'm not sure it's even safe to keep Leos and Tokays together. They have different habits, and different habitats. I can tell you with absolute certainty that I wouldn't even think about trying that.
You didn't say you had cresties or tokays? I meant the two you just bought? Are they not Leos?
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You didn't say you had cresties or tokays? I meant the two you just bought? Are they not Leos?
My two new purchases are indeed Leos, and I don't own any other reptiles at this point in time. What are you getting at, here?

Please excuse me if I seem a bit distracted tonight, as I am just about to pass out on my feet. It's beena long and tring day, and I really need some sleep.
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