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Hi guys and gals!

I'm brand new to all of this!, so please be gentle and patient!

Basically here's my story etc.

I've just rescued to bearded dragons from a friend who was unable to look after them! (His mother got a big shock when she came home from holiday to find them in his room!) so he owned them for about 2 weeks roughly.. and no previous history as such (apart from one male and one female roughly 18months old)

So I've moved them all in and they are doing just great (or so i hope) basically they seem to be fine and happy!
The male Stitch - (or so i believe him to be male) has a stumpy tail.. bit missing and not sure as to why/how this happened was like it when i got them And he seems to be slightly smaller and weighing less then the female, he also doesn't like being held much?! and I noticed today he got a black beard (but i've read that could be to do with the colours im wearing etc..)

The female Lilo - (again.. or so i believe to be female) is bigger in length and looks to be a generally stunning beardy! Got a nice lime colour to her! (Awesome - pics to follow), she's generally laid back.. doesn't seem to do too much! but eats more than the male? and has first say on what food she wants?

Now, this is the strange part, The male seems to be very hyper.. he likes to run up and down the glass banging his nose sometimes on it, bobbing his head very often! constantly clawing at the glass as if he wants to come out? as soon as the lights go off and i send them to sleep he's find and i dont hear from them until morning! he likes to just "flop" on Lilo constantly climbing on her etc etc even on the ground?

They are both healthy from what i know and can tell both holding their bellies up and both alert and eating and poo'ing well!

Set up

4ft long viv, 2ft wide 2ft high - from what i've read this is plenty? and as much as my space will allow for now! (until i move out in the new year) then they will have atleast a 6-7ft viv..

150W I believe Basking Lamp (may be 100W)

10% UVB UV light

And heat matt for at night but is well covered so they dont burn their bellies!

Temp is about 90F in hot end but thats from a thermometer not a thermostat.
Don't have one for cool end yet.

Substrate is a wood chip as recomended by my local reptile shop! (Lucky to have a dedicated one about 200 metres from my home) but im looking to change to a sand.. as i hate the look of the wood chip stuff! and it's mega hard to spot clean!!

i've got two feed bowls in there for them! just to make sure they both have plenty of chance to eat!

Feeding silent crickets 3 times a week, first day of them today and they went absolutely ape!! haha they knew what they were before i even put them in the viv!

and one water bowl (which they seem to like getting filthy -_- )

My questions

Firstly, Is my viv big enough?

- Are they doing okay (I know its probs too early to tell just yet)
- Are there anything i can do to help make them happier/healthier?
- Is there anything i'm doing wrong?
- Which sand substrate should i get?
- Anything else I need to buy?
- Can someone please please please explain the Thermostat hub things? (the dimmer.. night and day etc etc)

- How can i sex them? to make sure they are male and female.
- Should i split them up?
- Anybody got a good cheap Big Vivarium for sale?


That's about it for now!

If I can think of anything else I'll post it up! p.s any help anybody can give me would be absolutely amazing!

Oh P.S it's pay day Friday.. so thermostats will be bought then along with new UVB as now sure when that went it.. and anything else i need





Lilo in front (Female) Stitch at the back (male)




Viv as good as i could get a pic! - The Viv is a bit battered and dated but it's a good home for now until i find one suitable!

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Old 20-11-2012, 02:00 AM
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Hi guys and gals!

I'm brand new to all of this!, so please be gentle and patient!

Basically here's my story etc.

I've just rescued to bearded dragons from a friend who was unable to look after them! (His mother got a big shock when she came home from holiday to find them in his room!) so he owned them for about 2 weeks roughly.. and no previous history as such (apart from one male and one female roughly 18months old)

So I've moved them all in and they are doing just great (or so i hope) basically they seem to be fine and happy!
The male Stitch - (or so i believe him to be male) has a stumpy tail.. bit missing and not sure as to why/how this happened was like it when i got them And he seems to be slightly smaller and weighing less then the female, he also doesn't like being held much?! and I noticed today he got a black beard (but i've read that could be to do with the colours im wearing etc..)

The female Lilo - (again.. or so i believe to be female) is bigger in length and looks to be a generally stunning beardy! Got a nice lime colour to her! (Awesome - pics to follow), she's generally laid back.. doesn't seem to do too much! but eats more than the male? and has first say on what food she wants?

Now, this is the strange part, The male seems to be very hyper.. he likes to run up and down the glass banging his nose sometimes on it, bobbing his head very often! constantly clawing at the glass as if he wants to come out? as soon as the lights go off and i send them to sleep he's find and i dont hear from them until morning! he likes to just "flop" on Lilo constantly climbing on her etc etc even on the ground?
The running up and down the glass may be him wanting out but it's quite common for males to do it if they can see their reflection or if it's breeding season (they get hyperactive and often go off their food). Him 'flopping' on Lilo is probably dominance or mating behaviour.

They are both healthy from what i know and can tell both holding their bellies up and both alert and eating and poo'ing well!

Set up

4ft long viv, 2ft wide 2ft high - from what i've read this is plenty? and as much as my space will allow for now! (until i move out in the new year) then they will have atleast a 6-7ft viv..

150W I believe Basking Lamp (may be 100W)

10% UVB UV light

And heat matt for at night but is well covered so they dont burn their bellies!

Temp is about 90F in hot end but thats from a thermometer not a thermostat.
Don't have one for cool end yet.
Where are you getting that 90F from? You have the cool end, warm end (around the basking area) and the basking area (directly under the heat lamp where the beardies bask). Basking area should be around 105-115F, the beardies should only bask for around 5 minutes then go about their business.

Substrate is a wood chip as recomended by my local reptile shop! (Lucky to have a dedicated one about 200 metres from my home) but im looking to change to a sand.. as i hate the look of the wood chip stuff! and it's mega hard to spot clean!!

i've got two feed bowls in there for them! just to make sure they both have plenty of chance to eat!

Feeding silent crickets 3 times a week, first day of them today and they went absolutely ape!! haha they knew what they were before i even put them in the viv!
Try other foods as well - locusts and roaches are good options. Do you have any supplements to dust them with? If you don't have a look at Nutrobal or even better Repashy calcium plus. Remember to feed any livefood. Try providing the beardies with some veg too > Untitled Document < here's a good guide to start with. As adults around 70%+ of their diet should be made up of veg.

and one water bowl (which they seem to like getting filthy -_- )
Keep the water bowl in the cool end. In the warm end it can raise the humidity in the tank which can cause respiratory infections.

My questions

Firstly, Is my viv big enough?

- Are they doing okay (I know its probs too early to tell just yet)
It's early days but if they are eating, pooing, moving around the viv then there's nothing to suggest that anything is wrong
- Are there anything i can do to help make them happier/healthier?
Separating them (or giving them a bigger viv) - they aren't bothered about company, rather they see it as competition for heat, food etc. Beardies tend to do best alone, especially in a male-female pairing (male's often pester the female to mate, one will always dominate the other and the female will lay eggs eventually which can be detrimental to her health).
- Is there anything i'm doing wrong?
- Which sand substrate should i get?
Play sand is a good option, general consensus is to stay away from calcium sand.
- Anything else I need to buy?
A digital thermometer - those dial ones are crubbish!
- Can someone please please please explain the Thermostat hub things? (the dimmer.. night and day etc etc)
Can you specify what thermostat you have/are getting? I've never used a day/night one though so someone can explain those settings to you (or find an online manual for you to use). Where do you have the thermostat probe? I can't see it on the pictures (or I'm probably just being blind ). People setup the thermostats different ways - I put the probe in the warm end and fiddle around with the thermostat dial until I get the correct temperatures in the basking area according to the digital thermostat. Also you shouldn't need a heat mat at night, a drop in temperature is important for their health
- How can i sex them? to make sure they are male and female.
http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forum...ed-dragon.html
- Should i split them up?
As mentioned it really is best for the both of them. Although beardies can be kept together without any major mishaps I would rather negate that risk straight off (before you have vet bills to fork out for). It's also best if you're not sure of their sex.
- Anybody got a good cheap Big Vivarium for sale?
Have a look in the classifieds, there's usually some going. Preloved and gumtree are ok too.

That's about it for now!

If I can think of anything else I'll post it up! p.s any help anybody can give me would be absolutely amazing!

Oh P.S it's pay day Friday.. so thermostats will be bought then along with new UVB as now sure when that went it.. and anything else i need
Have a look at Arcadia T5 UVB lighting (12% for beardies). It's the best around and the lamps only need to be changed once a year.
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Old 20-11-2012, 02:09 AM
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Thanks for all your help!!

I'm rather worried as i don't have the space to split them up??
So im wondering if it's best to maybe give one of them up? for their sake! i dont want to be selfish but i dont want them to fight etc either! however they do seem fine at the moment!

Also The thermostat has been added after that photo and it's to the left hand side of the basking area (looking at it) so it's slightly lower than the full temp i presume!

Is it worth me changing the bulb then?

and it's the habistat sorry! :P

I currently have 3 plugs!

One for my UVB, one for my heat lamp and one for my heat matt..

So i was wondering how i should set up my electrical side of things too?
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Are you able to stack another viv on top of the existing one? Most people do it that way - a real space saver but there's also all the equipment to buy.

At the end of the day it's up to you what you do, considering rehoming shows that you obviously care for their welfare it's a shame that your friend couldn't keep them but you're obviously trying to do what's best by them.

The thing about any animal is that they can seem fine one day and the next they can be fighting, anything and nothing can set it off. Also it's not just physical fighting that's the problem; in reptiles body language, eye contact, colour etc can be used to intimidate each other. This can really stress them out and cause ill health. If they aren't fighting then it buys you a bit of time until you can decide what to do. There's tonnes of threads about cohabiting beardies so have a look at these; housing males and females together continuously usually ends in the female becoming ill or injured and you ending up with a lot of eggs (or vet bills).

If you can get a picture of where the probe is that's best, then people can suggest if it needs a little tweak. I would leave the bulb until you can get digital thermometers so you know what action to take as the thermostat dial is useless when it comes to temperatures.

Electrical side of things, you can unplug the heat mat. It's not needed. That just leaves you with 2 plugs. If you have an extension cable you can put both the UV and the thermostat on a timer so they have a proper day/night cycle (and then you don't have to remember to do it).
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Sadly i'm not able to stack one upon another as that would be too high for my liking and i purely don't have the space to do it safely!

And to be quite honest i really do care for these guys! i know you've all heard it before "yeah i love these things blah blah blah 6 months later.. oh i need to re-home them can anyone help" but I really do want to do what's best for them!

I mean i've read mixed reviews.. male and female etc etc! and to be honest i'm not sure! haha I'd rather keep them both as they are awesome together by the looks of things! but like you say it only takes one thing and they could go nuts at each other! I think i may possibly speak to my local reptile shop, and ask if it's an option to maybe give one up to them if they do start to fight! IF IF IF!! I can't find another option! that is a mega mega last resort!!!

I would honestly like to breed them!! would be cool to see what colours I get out of these guys

In other news!

I've decided im going to try them on Cali Sand! (don't hate me! haha) I really like the reviews for it! at the end of the day, if it was bad for them they wouldn't sell it!, and then that way it stops the feed/water bowls getting messy every time i change them etc.

And i've got the heat matt just as a precaution as my house gets cold during the night! and with them being along an external wall it's generally colder that side of the room anyways!

And can you explain the Habistat please? there are so many different variations/sizes/wattage etc etc! it's all very very confusing stuff!! I just want to know what one i need for a my Heat bulb and UVB.. ha!

And whats the best way to enusre a correct cycle? I leave the lights on for 12 hours wake up at 10am first thing i do is sort Lilo and Stitch , then go to work (late starts!) get home have a little look make sure they are all fine then turn them off at 10pm, put a blanket over the glass to stop any light getting into them to stress them while sleeping etc!

Also I'm purchasing 2 digital thermometers on friday! (one for hot end, one for cold end is that correct?)

And as far as the eggs go thats not a problem, my local reptile shop have already said they will incubate them for me !

Thanks again!
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People would much rather have these animals rehomed than risk them being hurt/mistreated (not saying that you will but some people lose interest then fail to care for them).

Once you have that 6-7ft viv that would be a much better size for housing 2 beardies than one 4ft. If you choose not to rehome then make sure you have the back up plan that can take them in at short notice.

Read other threads about breeding. With beardies you will make a loss and there are so many unwanted ones already, adding to the numbers isn't a great idea.

Not sure what reviews you've been reading again look at threads about it on here. There was a very recent one in the lizard section and a couple of well respected breeders said that they'd only use it for certain species of gecko. At the end of the day, a lot of the manufacturers are in it for the money (hence it's so expensive) not necessarily because they have a passion for the animals. I found calci-sand very messy. Stains the animals and if it gets damp it forms solid clumps and is quite dusty (not good for respiratory systems). Your call but have a look at negative reviews too.

You don't need a thermostat for UVB, you'll need a dimming one for the heat bulb. Watt wise you just need a thermostat with wattage that's more or the same as the watt bulb you're using. I forgot to ask what kind of UVB you using? Is it a coil or tube?

If you're good with timings then just keep with what you're doing. For forgetful people like me we use timers.

What is the reptile shop that you're near?
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Right you are!

Just waiting for the viv really! and pay day! ha it can not come any sooner!

So the habistat.. what is it? because people have them for their matts etc etc is that right? I'm so confused it's way to late/early in the morning! ha

And im using a tube! and i think it's a 150W heat bulb! but again im not sure what % the UVB is, another reason why i would like to just purchase another to make sure i know its good and proper!

And well what could you suggest? i really like the look of sand.. looks nicer in my opinion! seems easier for the beardies to move around on and hunt their live feed etc!


After writing the about about the habistat.. i think i've answered my own question but to be sure.. that's just a way for me to control how hot the heat bulb gets? -_- damn i'm tired..

And them obviously 2 digi thermometers for either end!

the timers, are they the ones that just plug into the extension lead with the "dial" around it?

and its called Two by Two
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Habistat is just a brand of thermostat (Microclimate is another) - it's used to keep temperatures stable in the tank so it doesn't get too hot or too cold, you can get ones designed to use for mats, lights and ceramics. Dimming thermostat is best for lights as on/off thermostats will kill your bulb (and are plain annoying switching it on and off!). You can also get pulse (mostly for ceramics) and mat stats (for heat mats).

A lot of people use play sand - it's cheaper and doesn't encourage your animals to eat it like calci-sand does. You just give it a rinse, let it dry then pop it in. There are other substrates too, some use slate, lino and I've seen people use excavator clay.

Yep those are timers, just set it to the times you want and it'll do it all for you.

Never heard of that one. Not saying they're wrong but don't just go with the advice of one pet shop, have a search around and ask other people as husbandry differs between keepers.
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Right so just to clear it up with regards to the habistat.

For my set up i need a dimming one? But i turn all lights off at night, can i still do this with the dimming one?

And i'll take a look at the play sand! I've been told i can get it at Toys 'r us? is that right?

and this morning i've moved the mirror that was opposite the viv and Stitch seems to have stopped running the glass, although now he's decided to mount lilo and ride her around the viv as well as what seems to be almost nipping her occasionally?? I'm getting rather concerned now??

May have to invest in the timers!

and okie dokie! I'll ask around!

once again thanks for all your help vgorst!
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No problem

Dimming stat is better if you're using a normal light emitting bulb (just dims the light when the right temperatures are reached then fires up the bulb again when the temperatures get low). You can still use timers etc with thermostats, it'll just switch the thermostat and lights on at the time you want. You can use the day/night ones but I've never used one so can't help with that!

Yeah you can get the sand from toys'r'us.

Sounds like he could see his reflection and wanted to pick a fight, they're not so smart that kind of behaviour towards Lilo could be dominance or mating behaviour. Now that he's not trying to pick a fight with himself he may be directing it towards her. Whereabouts is he nipping her?
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