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Old 17-12-2012, 10:29 PM
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Hello, I'm going to be getting my first snake after X-mas, I'm going to get a royal Just have a few questions.

I've heard you can put young royals straight into a 3 ft viv, so long as i have plentiful hides and lots of cover would the 3 ft viv last through to its adult life or would i need to upgrade later?

What's the best type of heating to use and what sort of thermostats are best for the type of heating i use , i have heard mixed opinions on whats best, so could I have you guy's opinions as well please?

Once again I've heard many different opinions on substrate what do you think is best? I'd like something attractive so not newspaper or paper towel's.

Also what temp's and humidity should I be aiming for?

One last thing, could you add in some approximate prices for me please?

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Old 18-12-2012, 03:38 PM
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You might get away with a 3ft if there is a lot of cover and hides. A lot of people start off with faunariums or storage boxes for hatchlings as a large open space can make them feel insecure and you might struggle to get them to feed. When it's adult you will have to see how big it grows to determine the size of the viv for the rest of it's life. As for heating a heat mat would be used on half of a faunarium/box and in a wooden vivarium a heat mat, ceramic or a light bulb - its personal choice really but you will want to keep temperature up at night so a light bulb only might not be the best idea unless you get a red bulb for the night time.

Thermostats - you can get on/off thermostats which turn off when it rises to a certain temp and on when the temp drops below a certain temp. You can also get pulse thermostats, which I prefer because they are more accurate at maintaining temperature, which send pulses of power to the source of heat and so will give out less heat when less is required. Dimming thermostats are similar to on/off but the power 'dims' rather than just switching off.

As for substrate a lot of people I know use aspen but again its really personal choise as to what substrate to use so long as it hasn't got anything in which is toxic to reptiles.

humidity should be kept relatively low (your heat source will help with this) around 50% but make sure the humidity is higher during a shed by spraying or providing a box with spagnum moss in.

Prices around my area usually ranges from around 70-140 for a normal and obviously more money for a morph.

I don't have snakes of my own so I'm not very experienced or knowledgable on snakes therefore I hope this gives you a better idea and that more experienced people will see this and give you a better response.

For other information it's a good idea to buy a book and look up caresheets like these: http://www.barrieranimalcareclinic.c...%20pythons.pdf and http://teamreptiles.co.uk/wp-content...caresheet1.pdf. Constantly research before you get your snake and you'll be fine
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Old 20-12-2012, 02:25 AM
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You might get away with a 3ft if there is a lot of cover and hides. A lot of people start off with faunariums or storage boxes for hatchlings as a large open space can make them feel insecure and you might struggle to get them to feed. When it's adult you will have to see how big it grows to determine the size of the viv for the rest of it's life. As for heating a heat mat would be used on half of a faunarium/box and in a wooden vivarium a heat mat, ceramic or a light bulb - its personal choice really but you will want to keep temperature up at night so a light bulb only might not be the best idea unless you get a red bulb for the night time.

Thermostats - you can get on/off thermostats which turn off when it rises to a certain temp and on when the temp drops below a certain temp. You can also get pulse thermostats, which I prefer because they are more accurate at maintaining temperature, which send pulses of power to the source of heat and so will give out less heat when less is required. Dimming thermostats are similar to on/off but the power 'dims' rather than just switching off.

As for substrate a lot of people I know use aspen but again its really personal choise as to what substrate to use so long as it hasn't got anything in which is toxic to reptiles.

humidity should be kept relatively low (your heat source will help with this) around 50% but make sure the humidity is higher during a shed by spraying or providing a box with spagnum moss in.

Prices around my area usually ranges from around 70-140 for a normal and obviously more money for a morph.

I don't have snakes of my own so I'm not very experienced or knowledgable on snakes therefore I hope this gives you a better idea and that more experienced people will see this and give you a better response.

For other information it's a good idea to buy a book and look up caresheets like these: http://www.barrieranimalcareclinic.c...%20pythons.pdf and http://teamreptiles.co.uk/wp-content...caresheet1.pdf. Constantly research before you get your snake and you'll be fine
I don't know where the myth about Royals not being able to cope with a 3ft viv came from, but it's nonsense. As long as they've got a bit of cover and some hides, they'll be fine. My little Royal is very active and explores all the time.

If the OP wants to house his Royal in a viv, it makes sense to get a 3ft one, which would be suitable for life for a Royal. I don't like heatmats in vivs for bulky snakes, so would go for a ceramic (with guard). I'm also not particularly fussy about what thermostats to use with a ceramic. The cheaper on-off ones give a bit more temperature fluctuation. I don't have a problem with this, as the temperature in the wild isn't constant either.

If you want a normal Royal, they are absolute bargains. I paid £20 for mine at CREAKS this year. I think he's gorgeous:



Prices in the classifieds on here will give you an idea of the range (there's always thousands of them for sale!). Shop prices will be roughly £60 upwards. A word of warning - if you catch "morph fever", it can be very expensive. I've seen a Royal for sale at a show for £25000!
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Old 20-12-2012, 05:32 AM
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I keep my royal in a 3ft viv and have done since i got him as a juvenile. I use a heatmat statted to stop burns to provide terrestrial heat as well as a red "night bulb also on a on/off stat to keep up ambient air temps. As for substrate i use a tile effect lino cut to fit as its easy to clean abd distributes heat well from the mat to provide a good gradient but thats just my choice i used to use bark and coconut fibre and that holds the humidity at around 60% prety well although this is just a touch high for day to day so i switched and now just have an appropriatley sized water bowl to do this. I picked up my normal for £30 at a garden centre but morphs can be much more expensive, for example im looking at an albino after xmas myself an its priced £399 and as some morphs go thats extremely cheap. Hope this helped
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I keep my royal in a 3ft viv and have done since i got him as a juvenile. I use a heatmat statted to stop burns to provide terrestrial heat as well as a red "night bulb also on a on/off stat to keep up ambient air temps. As for substrate i use a tile effect lino cut to fit as its easy to clean abd distributes heat well from the mat to provide a good gradient but thats just my choice i used to use bark and coconut fibre and that holds the humidity at around 60% prety well although this is just a touch high for day to day so i switched and now just have an appropriatley sized water bowl to do this. I picked up my normal for £30 at a garden centre but morphs can be much more expensive, for example im looking at an albino after xmas myself an its priced £399 and as some morphs go thats extremely cheap. Hope this helped
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I've heard you can put young royals straight into a 3 ft viv, so long as i have plentiful hides and lots of cover would the 3 ft viv last through to its adult life or would i need to upgrade later?
Depends entirely on the royal. Males certainly are usually okay in a 3ft viv (although depends on the depth too - if you can stretch to a 3x2 you're giving them that extra bit of space). Females can get quite chunky and in those cases you may want to give them a bit more space as an adult - you're looking at 2-3 years down the line though.

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What's the best type of heating to use and what sort of thermostats are best for the type of heating i use , i have heard mixed opinions on whats best, so could I have you guy's opinions as well please?
Well, it's only opinion but personally I'd use a ceramic bulb with a cage guard, on a pulse thermostat. You can also use a heat mat with a mat stat for hatchlings - but once you've looking at a 2kg royal, them sitting on a heat mat can be a risk and I find it easier to recommend a ceramic bulb from the start.

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Once again I've heard many different opinions on substrate what do you think is best? I'd like something attractive so not newspaper or paper towel's.
I personally use orchid bark with royals on display and have never had any problems with it.
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there ar 2 just by my house. stephen h smiths in bradley fold sell corns and royals and the occasional boa as well as fat tails, leo's water dragons and beardies and newbank sell pretty much everything in bury and also in bury are cascade water gardens with pretty much any reptile u want as well as inverts including matids spiders millipedes ect ect but cascades are a little over priced imo
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