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Old 03-03-2013, 10:41 PM
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so much wrong with that post,but just 2 things,sticky tape of any kind is a big NO NO in vivs,and i take it you don't use stats on mats in the viv

Errrrrr and how?
How is sticky tape a big no no? If stuck CORRECTLY, there is no way of getting it up, it contains no harmful chemicals, and is not dangerous. What do u suggest? Glue?
And actually yes I do, but I know many people that don't, and have never had a problem.
People are always going to have different opinions on what to use, and what not to use.
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Old 03-03-2013, 10:45 PM
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Australian Capital Territory Climate and Weather Averages

It changes depending on where you look, but I've seen temperatures lower than that.



How hot does it get over the heat mat (without the other heating on) and on top of the substrate out of curiosity?

It doesn't stay hot at night, everything gets very cold and beardies hide away.

You should always use a thermostat on a heat mat, regardless of placement and species. Mine easily get to 50C without a stat!

With the lights being on during the day, that makes the substrate hot, as would the sun. I find that overnight when the lights are off, the heat mat helps to keep the substrate warm.
I do use a thermostat.
I was giving my opinion, everyone has a different.

But rather than biting each others heads off, we are meant to be helping others.
This forum is starting to get reallllllll bitchy.
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Old 03-03-2013, 10:53 PM
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With the lights being on during the day, that makes the substrate hot, as would the sun. I find that overnight when the lights are off, the heat mat helps to keep the substrate warm.
I do use a thermostat.
I was giving my opinion, everyone has a different.

But rather than biting each others heads off, we are meant to be helping others.
This forum is starting to get reallllllll bitchy.
I apologise, I had no intention of sounding bitchy, tone doesn't really come across in text

I was wondering how warm the substrate got during the night over the heat mat?

'If you are worried, connect a thermostat and set it at a temperature that you feel comfortable with' - thermostats are debatable when it comes to lights (and you're fairly experienced with the whole heating aspect), but not mats. They reach stupid temperatures if left unregulated and stats should always be recommended for these, not just if the OP was concerned.

The thing is, it gets so cold at night in Australia, beardies can easily handle our 'low' night temperatures, it's the owners that can't manage the worry.

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Australian Capital Territory Climate and Weather Averages

It changes depending on where you look, but I've seen temperatures lower than that.
Inland Beardies dont really live in the area you have provided minimum night time temperatures for though. Their population is more central isnt it?
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I apologise, I had no intention of sounding bitchy, tone doesn't really come across in text

I was wondering how warm the substrate got during the night over the heat mat?

'If you are worried, connect a thermostat and set it at a temperature that you feel comfortable with' - thermostats are debatable when it comes to lights (and you're fairly experienced with the whole heating aspect), but not mats. They reach stupid temperatures if left unregulated and stats should always be recommended for these, not just if the OP was concerned.

The thing is, it gets so cold at night in Australia, beardies can easily handle our 'low' night temperatures, it's the owners that can't manage the worry.

Bitchy comment wasn't directly aimed at you, was in general.
Over night it's only as warm as the palm of your hand, but it helps me sleep at night knowing that they have that extra bit of warmth.
As I said I live in a very old house, and during the winter months even I wake up with icicles on my nose! Let alone the dogs.
I appreciate that they do get hot, hence why I said to thermostat.
It's all very well and good people jumping off the band wagon with dont do this and don't do that, but it doesn't help with the advice already given!
It does get cold over night in Australia, but we forget these animals are captive bred and haven't actually experienced that temperature changes of Australia, only the settings in which they where bred and where sold.
There are many people out there that will try and fob you off, believe me, over the years I've met many. I appreciate this forum for people's own experiences. But over recent months, there's less of that, and genuine helpful advice, and more of slating each other and jumping down each others throats.

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Inland Beardies dont really live in the area you have provided minimum night time temperatures for though. Their population is more central isnt it?

Central Australia, such as Alice Springs, can drop below freezing in winter
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I would never use a heat mat for a beardie. They arent great at sensing heat through their feet. So they are likely to get burned if the mat gets too hot

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Inland Beardies dont really live in the area you have provided minimum night time temperatures for though. Their population is more central isnt it?
Alice Springs Climate and Weather Averages, Northern Territory

Simpson Desert Climate

The Territory | Climate

^ Info for Central

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Bitchy comment wasn't directly aimed at you, was in general.
Over night it's only as warm as the palm of your hand, but it helps me sleep at night knowing that they have that extra bit of warmth.
As I said I live in a very old house, and during the winter months even I wake up with icicles on my nose! Let alone the dogs.
I appreciate that they do get hot, hence why I said to thermostat.
It's all very well and good people jumping off the band wagon with dont do this and don't do that, but it doesn't help with the advice already given!
It does get cold over night in Australia, but we forget these animals are captive bred and haven't actually experienced that temperature changes of Australia, only the settings in which they where bred and where sold.
There are many people out there that will try and fob you off, believe me, over the years I've met many. I appreciate this forum for people's own experiences. But over recent months, there's less of that, and genuine helpful advice, and more of slating each other and jumping down each others throats.

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They may be captive bred, but the majority are still adapted to cope with hot, arid day conditions and the freezing cold nights (until you get to freaky 'morphs' like silkbacks).

This forum does seem to be going down; people recommending absolute rubbish (not referring to this thread ) and cat fights everywhere! It's turning into a minefield!
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Errrrrr and how?
How is sticky tape a big no no? If stuck CORRECTLY, there is no way of getting it up, it contains no harmful chemicals, and is not dangerous. What do u suggest? Glue?
And actually yes I do, but I know many people that don't, and have never had a problem.
People are always going to have different opinions on what to use, and what not to use.
Have you ever tried getting tape off a reptile.The heat,damp and the rep itself will loosen the tape.What do i suggest,don't use a heat mat in a viv,or fix it down with a frame or staples
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i have all my reptiles on heat mats, including my beardies. i disagree with the comment that they burn, heat rocks should never be used as they do burn the animal because they come into direct contact with it. but you can place your heat matt under an inch or so of substrate. it will not burn them like the rocks, they are also not stupid and do move when they get too hot. they do require a night time drop but i turn off their basking light and UVB light, and keep their mat on. if they cant keep their body temperature up, they will become tired and lose their appetite. remember they cant keep themselves warm like us :/
A large majority of dragons will dig at night to make a little hole for them to sleep in, they will probably lay right on the heatmat to be honest

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not a HUGE no no. but you are best without it. if you are still going to use it put it on a stat.
i know you get some stick on this forum tremerz but thats the best advice youve ever given! use a stat...mats, cables, strips should all have a stat

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I have 2 beardies and they BOTH have heat mats. They are good for keeping a consistent temp, especially over night when the lights are off. Mine are selopated to the bottom of the viv (round the sides) on the hot side with a thick layer of substrate over the top.
The way I look at it, is that they come from a hot country, a heat mat is not going to reach the temperature that a rock would out in Australia, and they bask on those all day. Although they cannot regulate their own body temperature, if they get too hot they will move!
I've have no problems with mine what so ever. And I think they are brilliant, especially as I live in a very old Victorian house and the temps do drop very low.
I also have a heat mat in my tegu enclosure.
If you feel the temps drop a lot in your house, then use it.
If you are worried, connect a thermostat and set it at a temperature that you feel comfortable with.
there is no requirement for them to have a consistent temperature over night, in fact that is very different from the wild where they would have large drops over night.

tape in a viv is not good. they can dig down through the substrate. often you will find dragons scratching at the bottom of the viv. if they happen to pull up the tape and get caught to it its bad times for the dragon! tape is extremely hard to safely remove from a reptile without damage, trust me ive learnt the hard way. plus the heat from the mat softens the glue which over time makes it very tacky and easy to pull up, but sticks to everything.

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With the lights being on during the day, that makes the substrate hot, as would the sun. I find that overnight when the lights are off, the heat mat helps to keep the substrate warm.
I do use a thermostat.
I was giving my opinion, everyone has a different.

But rather than biting each others heads off, we are meant to be helping others.
This forum is starting to get reallllllll bitchy.
there is no sun during the night so the substrate wouldnt be hot anyway.

the forum also has alot of people who seem to not like the way it is yet they still use it?
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Central Australia, such as Alice Springs, can drop below freezing in winter
a quick note on that meko is right but most would be in a state of brumation where they can tolerate a much lower temp

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Alice Springs Climate and Weather Averages, Northern Territory

Simpson Desert Climate

The Territory | Climate

^ Info for Central



They may be captive bred, but the majority are still adapted to cope with hot, arid day conditions and the freezing cold nights (until you get to freaky 'morphs' like silkbacks).

This forum does seem to be going down; people recommending absolute rubbish (not referring to this thread ) and cat fights everywhere! It's turning into a minefield!
it cant be that bad if you still come on here, there are much worse forums!
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