To have a heat mat or to not have a heat mat? That is the question - Reptile Forums

Go Back   Reptile Forums > New Owners > Newbie Advice


  #1 (permalink)  
Old 03-03-2013, 08:41 AM
Hatchling
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 19
Angry To have a heat mat or to not have a heat mat? That is the question

Hi guys

I went into our local reptile store yesterday to get advice on correct heating and lighting for our beardie who we rescued 2 days ago. They sold me a heat mat for the nighttime to keep his viv at around low 70sF but I've been told by a couple of people that a heat mat is not necessary and he may burn himself on it.

I'm worried I've been fleeced by the shop and I can't take this mat back now cos we've put holes through it to pin it to the back of his viv

Help!!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 03-03-2013, 09:42 AM
TEENY's Avatar
Posting Deity
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Isle of Wight
Posts: 36,627
Default

I am not a beardie keeper but i thought they needed a night time drop so most people turn off vivs at night ??? You could pin it to the back of viv instead of floor and run it from a stat so that it only clicks on if the room reaches really cool temps ??
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 03-03-2013, 11:05 AM
Hardy87's Avatar
Super Regular
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Warrington
Posts: 173
Default

Yea heat Matts are a huge no no they can burn the underneath of your beardy as they can't feel the heat when it gets to warm and just stay there.
I honestly Wouldn't worry about night-time temps aslong as it's not absolutely freezing in your house there from the desert and deserts are cold at night time.
__________________
1.0.0 Bearded Dragon Called 'Che'
0.2.0 Leopard Gecko's That have no names... Just know as 'The Girls'
0.1.0 Normal Ball Python Called 'Amica'
1.0.0 BEL (Super Fire) Called 'Heisenberg'
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 03-03-2013, 12:27 PM
Gold Star Member
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 6,780
Default

Actually some people do use heat mats for a night time heat source, they will usually tape it to a side wall to stop burns to the Beardie, you will of course need a mat stat for it.

I don't use additional heat for any of my beardies as my house I warm enought, as said a night time drop is fine as long as it 70+
__________________
FOR SALE IM LEAVING THE HOBBY, CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP


I can't believe how cheap I'm doing him for now !!!
4 gene male dwarf Retic £400
This prices include full setup!!!!!

dwarf retic
http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forum...l#post12161744
http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forum...l#post12161755
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 03-03-2013, 12:46 PM
vgorst's Avatar
5 Star Member
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Kent
Posts: 4,583
Default

You've been had by that shop keeper commonly happens.

Beardies need a night time temperature drop otherwise they don't 'shut down' and rest properly.

You can try selling it on here... or saving it for another rep

Heat mats are useless on the wall, they don't heat the air. You're just using up electricity and gaining nothing.

A drop below 70F is fine too, it can easily drop into minus numbers where they live and they manage to survive quite well.
jools likes this.
__________________


https://www.facebook.com/BizarreBeasts/

Last edited by vgorst; 03-03-2013 at 12:58 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 03-03-2013, 12:46 PM
tremerz97's Avatar
5 Star Member
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: plymouth
Posts: 4,042
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardy87 View Post
Yea heat Matts are a huge no no they can burn the underneath of your beardy as they can't feel the heat when it gets to warm and just stay there.
I honestly Wouldn't worry about night-time temps aslong as it's not absolutely freezing in your house there from the desert and deserts are cold at night time.
not a HUGE no no. but you are best without it. if you are still going to use it put it on a stat.
__________________
mike



Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Chad View Post
I thought tremerz was older, gives some of the best advice on here.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 03-03-2013, 12:48 PM
Hatchling
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 30
Blog Entries: 1
Default

i have all my reptiles on heat mats, including my beardies. i disagree with the comment that they burn, heat rocks should never be used as they do burn the animal because they come into direct contact with it. but you can place your heat matt under an inch or so of substrate. it will not burn them like the rocks, they are also not stupid and do move when they get too hot. they do require a night time drop but i turn off their basking light and UVB light, and keep their mat on. if they cant keep their body temperature up, they will become tired and lose their appetite. remember they cant keep themselves warm like us :/
GeorgiaAndJayFuzz likes this.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 03-03-2013, 12:51 PM
Regular
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Scotland
Posts: 101
Default

You don't really need a heat mat and they are not the best for beardies but if you are using one on a thermostat then they are perfectly safe for you beardie ( 35-37deg is only slightly higher than the palm of your hand) it is very very rare for any lizard to burn itself on a heat mat if they are properly used with a thermostat ,as long as your night time temps don't get too low you should get away with no heat source.
__________________
IMRAHILL

1.0.0 Leopard Gecko "pascal"
2.0.0 Lhasa Apso "Frodo,Obi"
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 03-03-2013, 01:04 PM
vgorst's Avatar
5 Star Member
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Kent
Posts: 4,583
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reptgal View Post
i have all my reptiles on heat mats, including my beardies. i disagree with the comment that they burn, heat rocks should never be used as they do burn the animal because they come into direct contact with it. but you can place your heat matt under an inch or so of substrate. it will not burn them like the rocks, they are also not stupid and do move when they get too hot. they do require a night time drop but i turn off their basking light and UVB light, and keep their mat on. if they cant keep their body temperature up, they will become tired and lose their appetite. remember they cant keep themselves warm like us :/
Problem with it being under an inch or so of substrate, is that most of the heat will be blocked anyway. That's more of a fire/burn risk. If it's loose substrate there's every chance that they will come into contact with it when digging around.

They sense heat from above, not so good at detecting heat from below, hence the risk of burns. Once they realise how hot it is, they may already have caused damage.

Why do we allow them to thermoregulate if they prefer being warm? They only require short periods of being warm before going off and doing their thing in cooler temperatures. They have no need to be warm at night and actually it's detrimental to their health.



Heat mats are unnecessary for beardies.
__________________


https://www.facebook.com/BizarreBeasts/
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 03-03-2013, 04:23 PM
diddlydee's Avatar
Super Regular
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 158
Default

No, you havent been 'had' by the shop keeper. The fact of the matter is that some people just dont like heat mats. Thats their prerogative. Though having said that, most of the 'against arguments' are a bit daft. The one that does stand true is that of 'malfunctioning equipment'. Malfunctioning equipment can burn your reptile, this is true of all the equipment you use hence the most important piece of kit you can buy is a decent thermometer. I cant tell you whether you actually need an additional heat source at night, as I just dont know what the temps in your house where you keep the viv at 4-5.00am, and I doubt anyone else on here can either really! Invest an a max/min and place it overnight to get an idea of whether you need it. Beardies like to drop to 18-22C. Ive certain lived in property's as a younger man- single glazed with no insulation and prehistoric heating- that got much colder than that, so the viv required additional heating. Thankfully these days I'm a grown up (?) so have UPVC windows, a lagged loft and a decent thermostat on my wall too, so dont really need them. The shop did the right thing to sell you one. They didnt know what temps your house gets to. Provided the primary heat source (bulb/ceramic) is on a decent stat- I'd get a dimmer- than having a mat on the wall will be of no detriment to your animal. Hope this helps.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
beardie , heating , heatmat

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
SE England Loads Of Habistat Pulse Stats, Heat Mats, Heat Cables UnBOAlievable_Morphs Equipment Classifieds 20 25-02-2013 06:31 PM
African Pygmy Hedgehog & Heat Mat/Ceramic Heat Emitter advice needed NalaBaby Exotic Mammals 4 14-12-2011 08:56 PM
Heat mat or Red heat bulb for primary heat source for leo? Nick_96297 Lizards 13 29-10-2011 07:34 PM
leopard gecko heat, heat bulb or heat mat ? Superdryyy Lizards 13 08-10-2010 06:45 PM
To heat or not to heat... that is the question boygeorge Newbie Advice 4 24-09-2008 10:41 PM



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:40 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright © 2005 - 2011, Reptile Forums (RFUK™)