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Old 14-06-2012, 04:46 PM
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Dear all,

As you are all know doubt aware a matter has arisen in respect of the IHS Breeders Meeting scheduled to take place this Sunday the 17th of June 2012. The information contained within the Animal Protection Agency Press Release dated the 12th of June is, as one would expect, not entirely accurate.

Notwithstanding this there are significant issues with the event, below is an exchange of correspondence between myself and the chief executive of Doncaster Cultural Leisure Trust who operate the venue which I believe are self explanatory.

The matter is now in the hands of our legal advisors and this will be in Court tomorrow [15th of June]. I shall post further information as it becomes available. If you are planning to attend the show on the Sunday then please watch this space for updates. Those attending in a formal capacity will be informed by phone of developments as soon as they are known.

The FBH Conference on the Saturday will not be affected.

Thank you for your continuing support.

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Chris Newman
Chairman Federation of British Herpetologists




Open Letter to:

Michael Hart, Chief Executive - Doncaster Cultural Leisure Trust
cc Jo Miller,Chief Executive - Doncaster Borough Council


Re: International Herpetological Breeders Meeting 17th of June 2012


Dear Michael,

Further to the discussions that took place at the meeting on the 12th of June and our subsequent telephone conversations, regrettably we cannot concede to your demands that no animals be sold on the day. As chairman of the Federation of British Herpetologists it is incumbent upon me to represent the best interests of the herpetological community.

The Breeders’ Meeting, at which breeders have always sold and exchanged surplus breeding stock, has taken place at the Dome since 2004. No changes in legislation have been enacted since that time other than the proposed removal of Section 2 of the Pet Animals Act 1951 under the Animal Welfare Act. As you know this proposed change in legislation would be welcomed by the FBH as it would permit such events to be licensed, a position also supported by Doncaster Borough Council in the past.

Doncaster Cultural Leisure Trust has entered into a binding contract with the International Herpetological Society to provide facilities for the Society to hold its Breeders’ Meeting on the 17th of June 2012, as it has for the past eight years, and there is no reason why this year’s event cannot proceed as it has previously. It is our understanding that these Breeders Meetings are fully compliant with the law and we are, therefore, unable to change the remit of the event in particular at such short notice. We believe it is unnecessary, unreasonable and disproportionate.

It would be easy for us to agree that no animals would be sold on the day and then to dishonour that commitment. But, unlike our opponents, we operate with the highest levels of integrity and such an action is ethically untenable. It is our firm belief that Breeders’ Meetings are fully compliant with the Pet Animals Act 1951 as amended. I would suggest this view is supported by Doncaster Borough Council who have approved the events over the past eight years and have even attended in an official capacity. In 2010 Doncaster Borough Council sought a barrister’s opinion on the matter and took no action having found no cause for legal or ethical complaint them.

The most logical course of action for all parties is for the event to take place normally and for the authorities take remedial action if they believe any transgressions of the law have taken place.

In our opinion it is patently clear from the meeting on the 12th that Doncaster Borough Council are endeavoring to make Doncaster Cultural Leisure Trust the scapegoats and close a lawful event simply because the Council have received criticism from a vocal minority. I am aware of the contractual issues between Doncaster Borough Council and Doncaster Cultural Leisure Trust, but I trust that all in authority would act with integrity and not seek punitive retribution should the Trust honor its legal commitments. This behavior would be entirely unethical.

If Doncaster Cultural Leisure Trust breaches its contract with the International Herpetological Society and cancels or alters the hire of the facilities for its Breeders’ Meeting on the 17th of June, we have no choice but to take immediate civil litigation to enforce the terms of the contract. We therefore require that you confirm in writing by no later than 15:00hrs today (14th June), the decision of Doncaster Cultural Leisure Trust in respect of this matter.

We fully appreciate and regret the pressure that you are under and we were not aware until Tuesday that you had received death threats for allowing the event to run in the past. Organisers and members from the International Herpetological Society have also been threatened and over the past ten years my own home has been attacked six times by fanatical Animal Rights Activists.

We cannot and should not, however, allow threats from a vocal minority to affect the thousands of people who enjoy these events and we must take whatever action is necessary to allow the IHS Breeders’ Meeting to take place this weekend.

Yours sincerely,


Chris Newman
Chairman Federation of British Herpetologists

14th June, 2012 @ 12:00hrs


cc Knights Solicitors
Rt. Hon Rosie Winterton MP, Doncaster Central
Rt. Hon Ed Miliband MP, Doncaster North
Rt. Hon Caroline Flint MP, Don Valley
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Old 14-06-2012, 04:48 PM
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Response to letter received 14th June, 12.28pm

Re: International Herpetological Breeder’s Meeting, 17th June 2012

Dear Chris

Thank you for your letter received today regarding to the International Herpetological Society’s position in relation to the operation of the event scheduled to take place on Sunday 17th June 2012.

As you aware Doncaster Culture and Leisure Trust met with yourself and Richard Brook to request that the event on Sunday took place with a ruling of no sale of any animal. We were clear that if this request could not be met, Doncaster Culture and Leisure Trust would be unable to allow the event to take place at a venue under the Trust portfolio.

Further to the position outlined in the letter by the International Herpetological Society, it is with regret that I must inform you that Doncaster Culture Leisure Trust will not allow the event to take place at The Dome.
This decision is in relation to the event scheduled on Sunday 17th June 2012.

I would be grateful if you could inform me of your intentions towards the Conference and Function scheduled to take place at The Dome on Saturday 16th June 2012.

Also at the meeting we discussed that once a decision was reached we would issue a joint press release, can I confirm that you still wish to do this? And if so could you please contact me with regard to the proposed wording.

Yours sincerely



Michael Hart
Chief Executive
Doncaster Culture and Leisure Trust











Open Letter to:

Michael Hart, Chief Executive - Doncaster Cultural Leisure Trust
cc Jo Miller,Chief Executive - Doncaster Borough Council


Re: International Herpetological Breeders Meeting 17th of June 2012


Dear Michael,

I am afraid that the DCLT’s action is a flagrant breach of its contract with Richard Brook and IHS. Richard and the IHS have been given insufficient notice of all this and have had no time to mitigate their losses. The only sensible option is to issue proceedings and these will be put in hand as soon as possible. Samuel Laughton of Counsel has been retained and our Solicitors will instruct him shortly. The plan is to issue on an emergency basis in the Chancery Division in London with a hearing tomorrow. If DCLT wishes to attend and wishes to be represented you need to answer Matthew Knight’s letter/fax of even date and indicate who is going to deal with this for DCLT. In the absence of any of this our solicitors will issue without formal notice and will go ahead with the injunction application on an exparte basis ie without DCLT present or represented.

Obviously it would be better if DCLT was present and was represented and so I suggest that you organise your solicitors to defend these proceedings and to line Counsel up to represent DCLT in the Chancery Division tomorrow.

As regards to the conference, arrangements for this remain unchanged.

Yours sincerely,


Chris Newman
Chairman Federation of British Herpetologists

14th June, 2012 @ 15:51hrs


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Rt. Hon Rosie Winterton MP, Doncaster Central
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Hi,

An entirely reasonable response to their breach of contract.

I remember the days when we used to arrest people making death threats not bowing to their pressure.

I wish you well in this and would ask if there is anything we, as individual members of the hobby, can do to help?


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I agree with the doc, anything we can do to help let us know.
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That's ridiculous. I feel sorry for Chris!
Edit: Oops, posted in the wrong thread, but yeah.
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I hope that this can all by sorted tomorrow, it seams unfair for the show to have restrictions implemented last minute. It was always a matter of time before the council gave way to the massive pressure that the APA (Animal rights terrorists!) have gave to the council and the event its self in a desperate attempt to stop the trading of surplus livestock at these events.

I look forward hearing the news tomorrow do we know what time the hearing will be ? I am sure i can speak for plenty, we will all be glad to know when all the fuss and ridiculous speculation is over and have a statement of facts.

I hope that this does put anyone off from attending the show on sunday and showing support for the hobby.
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what the above have said, anything i/we can do to help, just say. been looking forward to donny for ages
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Old 14-06-2012, 06:01 PM
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i hope people will still make the effort to go to donny whatever the outcome of the hearing.
show that as hobbyists,breeders,businesses or enthusiasts that we will not be driven away.

id like to know what the relevant authorities are doing about the recieved death threats and other threats issued by the APA.
I hope that the relevant action is being taken agaisnt the person(s) concerned or if not against the APA for being the voice of any anonymous threats.
to the same end i hope the APA make a statement condeming any such threats.

lastly...we know the APA WILL BE READING THIS, RATHER THAN SKULK IN SHADOWS MAKING THREATS,IDLE OR OTHERWISE HAVE THE COURAGE OF YOUR CONVICTIONS AND STAND UP FOR YOUR BELIEFS...COME AND POST HERE JUSTIFYING YOUR MALICIOUS BEHAVIOUR...I VERY MUCH DOUBT THAT AS A GROUP OR SINGUALLY YOU HAVE THE NERVE.
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Thanks chris, will keep an eye here, I really do wish some of these mindless idiots would go and fall off a cliff, just like lemmings
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