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Gaboon 06-04-2009 05:50 PM

Cleaning out...
 
How often do you guys clean out your inverts?

Also, are these tropical woodlice useful? My T's seem to put so much work into creating a nice web and/or borrow, seems a shame to trash it every time they need a clean...

iiisecondcreep 06-04-2009 06:03 PM

I hardly ever clean my T's out. I spot clean regularly but full clean outs... I'm not sure. Annually? Usually they need rehoused before they need cleaned out!

Tropical woodlice are brilliant, I have those and springtails in with my avic because there was mould, they ate all the mould and there has never even been a trace of it since!

andy07966 06-04-2009 06:10 PM

Do the springtails just die when they have done their job or do they live and breed indefinitely?

garlicpickle 06-04-2009 06:17 PM

They live and breed as long as there's stuff for them to eat and enough moisture.

Jamie 06-04-2009 06:30 PM

I give mine a bath weekly, also make them brush their fangs twice daily, they need shiney nashers.

ph0bia 06-04-2009 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamie (Post 3676770)
I give mine a bath weekly, also make them brush their fangs twice daily, they need shiney nashers.


:lol:

In all seriousness, clean if they need cleaning. If there is mold, clean. If there are mites, clean.

If you're careful with humidity and prey removal, you should be able to go as much as two years without cleaning.

ackie123 06-04-2009 10:25 PM

wow thats good info to know!i too thought it was more regular!where do u get the woodlice from any websites sell them?

garlicpickle 06-04-2009 10:40 PM

dartfrog sell tropical woodlice and springtails, but I got my springtails from livefoodwarehouse. There's millions of them in a box. I gave my avic and my lividum a spoonful each and the other 900,000 are living with my millipedes.

You can use normal woodlice from your garden, but it's better to quarantine them for a week or two in a cricket tub with clean substrate and feed them some old fruit and veg, just to flush out any crapola or pesticides from their systems.

ackie123 06-04-2009 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garlicpickle (Post 3678855)
dartfrog sell tropical woodlice and springtails, but I got my springtails from livefoodwarehouse. There's millions of them in a box. I gave my avic and my lividum a spoonful each and the other 900,000 are living with my millipedes.

You can use normal woodlice from your garden, but it's better to quarantine them for a week or two in a cricket tub with clean substrate and feed them some old fruit and veg, just to flush out any crapola or pesticides from their systems.

perfect will order some now.do they not bother the spiders?cud u use them for scorps also just thinking what else to use them up in lol

garlicpickle 06-04-2009 10:55 PM

I doubt T's and scorps would bother with woodlice, and the springtails are weeny!

The T Lord 06-04-2009 11:07 PM

Lisa, didn't know you could use normal woodlice, will quarantine about 50 off tommorow, as i have 15 spiders atm lol.
Would a week be ok for quarantine?
Also,
i don't clean mine out fully, as mentioned, if you spot clean enough, rehousing will be before cleaning out fully.
HTH , John

garlicpickle 06-04-2009 11:16 PM

Poxicator told me about it, he uses the tropical woodlice but said I could use normal ones. He suggested 2 weeks for quarantine, but now I've got the springtails I'm not bothering with woodlice as they have a tendency to fall into the waterbowls and drown.

The T Lord 06-04-2009 11:17 PM

Two weeks it is then
Cheers BTW
John

Gaboon 07-04-2009 10:46 AM

Right, thanks for the replies everyone!!

Poxicator 07-04-2009 12:13 PM

You should quarantine them for 2 weeks as woodlice can harbour nitrates and other chemicals. This makes them good for the garden but not for eating. The British woodlice are much bigger than the tropical ones so they're more likely to get eaten but tarantula tend to avoid them. The tropical ones are white, as are the springtails, and these help to clean moulds and fungus plus they eat the bolus and will help clean up any food remains. Best of all they eat the mites eggs and compete for the same food as mites, only they're much faster at getting to the food! Woodlice near moisture to breathe so you often find them around the water bowl or in moistened substrate.
I have them in all my Psalmo, Pokie and Avic enclosures.
Very few will be eaten, although I have heard of people that use them to feed their tiny slings. But, if they're coming from the garden then its really not an issue if a few get eaten. They'll breed but I haven't noticed any getting out of hand, and I've been using them for about a year now. You're not likely to see many until you moisten the substrate.
To start a colony, get a cricket tub, fill with substrate (peat or coir), put some wood chips in, soak it and place old fruit or veg. I actually use the old fruit that the roaches don't eat, the mankier the better! You can keep a colony like this indefinitely.

Poxicator 07-04-2009 12:23 PM

Cleaning out the substrate is unnecessary unless you have serious issues eg. phorid flies. Spot clean the substrate, removing mould, bolus and any uneaten food. Clean the glass of poo. You shouldn't need any more than that, there's really no need. Some long time keepers have had the same substrate for over 5 years!
Most issues with flies and mites are cured by drying out the substrate completely, they simply can't live without moisture but tarantula can. But I recommend always providing a water bowl in dry enclosures.


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