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Not too long ago - I went and grabbed some live food for my bearded which I do not do all that often, but decided it was due. I think I regret this and am having trouble finding answers..

He/She - still do not know to this day what sex it is, did not have a bowel movement for a week or so after eating the live meal worms and crickets. I gave it a hot bath and its been hell ever since. I came home one day from work to see that the cage ornaments and flooring was soaked in blood - looked fresh and took out to sanitize and dumped hot water in there and checked my beardy over to see nothing other than a slight cut on his chin from scratching due to shedding... A few days later the beardy was moving around the cage in the middle of the night - when it is normally sleeping - in a violent manner. I saw that there was a huge volume of bowl movement. Then for several days the beardy just kept voiding and having frequent movements, then eventually diarrhea in large proportions..
Cleaned the cage again - put only paper towl in and then saw something extremely disconcerting and very tragic - blood all over the paper towels with stool.

I picked the beardy up before placing on the floor saw a dark vomit out of mouth then it made several head thrusts, made a shrilling cry - bobbing head, then vomited blood and mucous after the warm bath - which lasted only 10 seconds as it did not want the bath. Every time I picked it up - it made violent movements and mouth open again - ready to vomit. I managed to gingerly place it back into the cage - with the light on it and awaiting morning to call reptile vet...........

Currently mouth is 10 percent open - looks close to dead, the eye lids are moving slowly to almost 80% closed, but not quite..
 

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No one on here can help you with this issue. It is an urgent, medical issue and you need to see a vet now. Emergency vets will operate 24 hours a day.
 

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Ya, I have to wait a few more hours - until the nearest one to me opens - this is not good. but thanks for the reply.
 

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He is gone. He passed away about 1.5 hours ago...

Your responses were all I needed at the time, thank you.
 

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I am so sorry to hear this. I really dont think that the live food is likely to have been the cause of the illness. Maybe get a pm done if you want to find out what happened? (let us know if you do as I would be interested to know) or if you have other reptiles in the house and want to be aware of what to look out for in them.

Again , really sorry to hear that this happened to your beardie :(
 

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Sorry to hear that, I am glad s/he is no longer suffering. I also would recommend a post mortem, especially if you have other reptiles or are planning on re-using his equipment.
 

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You really need to get this checked if you have other animals in the house. From what you described those weren't bowel movements, but converted blood.
In humans we call this coffee ground vomits because of what they look like. Basically a bleed starts in some point of the GA tract and the digestive enzymes break down the cells, this is then voided in large bulky movements, far in excess of what the animal has eaten, resulting in either black faeces or brown/black vomit. It is very painful, people with end stage cancer/severe crohns ect can have this situation if the disease perforates the GA tract, they are often sedated because of how horrific the situation is. Hence your beardy's agitated behaviour.
It could have been a severe gut infection causing perforation via inflammation or straight perforation. You said the beardy was constipated then you came home and found fresh blood? Could be the constipation caused the original perforation (straining tearing the intestine) which if in the rectum would cause a red bleed, then a slower bleed from that point on from swelling and damage would cause the vomiting and dark bowel movements.
It is the risk of the death being caused by disease that is the real issue not least because of other animals in the house.
I'm sorry you had to witness something so horrific and extreme, but the poor little guy is better off now his not suffering any more.
 

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Not too long ago - I went and grabbed some live food for my bearded which I do not do all that often, but decided it was due. I think I regret this and am having trouble finding answers..
Just curious, but what were you feeding it before if not live food?
 

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You really need to get this checked if you have other animals in the house. From what you described those weren't bowel movements, but converted blood.
In humans we call this coffee ground vomits because of what they look like. Basically a bleed starts in some point of the GA tract and the digestive enzymes break down the cells, this is then voided in large bulky movements, far in excess of what the animal has eaten, resulting in either black faeces or brown/black vomit. It is very painful, people with end stage cancer/severe crohns ect can have this situation if the disease perforates the GA tract, they are often sedated because of how horrific the situation is. Hence your beardy's agitated behaviour.
It could have been a severe gut infection causing perforation via inflammation or straight perforation. You said the beardy was constipated then you came home and found fresh blood? Could be the constipation caused the original perforation (straining tearing the intestine) which if in the rectum would cause a red bleed, then a slower bleed from that point on from swelling and damage would cause the vomiting and dark bowel movements.
It is the risk of the death being caused by disease that is the real issue not least because of other animals in the house.
I'm sorry you had to witness something so horrific and extreme, but the poor little guy is better off now his not suffering any more.
wow, I think you hit it on the nail my friend. I neglected to mention about the large oil like ya.. I can't even finish this sentence - its painful man, its painful but ya there was tarry stool..

thanks for your input and - the rest of you on here - for at least commenting. I will not be able to get him back - but your condolences are noted. I should have had more adequate lighting for him. And did not react quick enough to his situation. I have proven not worthy to have another Lizard for a while until I become more knowledgeable about them and more willing to care for them before extreme situations like this happen again. I should have given him a bath much sooner and had double the lighting when he was not have a bowl movement for more than 5 days. I have very hard time sleeping at night so I shut of his light when I go to bed for about 5-7 hours, and he used to sleep on my bed from time to time, but never exhibited any odd stool patterns or schedules.. This recent batch of meal worms could have been bad, and my poor attentiveness to early symptoms that were exhibited like rapid movements around the cage as if he wanted to climb out !

This one is on me, and I have learned a valuable lesson by your comments. No other pets in the house by the way.

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Please don't blame yourself like that, it may be that the correct care wasn't taken, perhaps for quite some time, but now I am sure that you won't let the same thing ever happen to another animal in your care, you did your best at the time, and now you know more, so when you are ready to get another (if that is what you come to want) you will probably have absolutely fantastic care.

Best of luck in the future and sorry for your loss
 

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As above. There is no problem with shutting his light off at night. Infact its better for him to have dark and a temp drop. And as long as his temps were right there should have been a
No need for extra lighting and he bath may not have made a difference.
Really dont blame yourself or let it put you off getting another lizard. As you said make sure you read up thoroughly on whatever you get but please dont blame yourself for this. All the best for the future anyway.
 

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Don't castigate yourself too much.

What happened is very sad but you didn't withhold care out of malice, none of this was deliberate.

You have learnt from the experience and I am sure that any future pets you choose to have will have some very good care.
 

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I hope you didn't think I was having a go.
It is just that it is a situation I recognise mainly, unfortunately, from seeing it in humans. Just think with all the advances in human medicine and we still can't stop it from happening, unfortunately past a certain point there was nothing you could do. Absolutely nothing and for someone who has never come across this situation before, which is most people, picking up on what is happening is pretty much impossible. Catastrophic bowel bleed outs are rapid and highly aggressive in presentation, basically they are as mean as hell to witness.
Constipated or not, the chances of this happening to your dragon was slim making the results all the more drastic and unfortunate. Simply you could not have seen it coming.
Don't beat yourself up, sterilise your equipment and put it to one side for the moment. Then come jump back in the pool with the rest of us when you feel ready.
 

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I could have not asked for better support and understanding when attempting to problem solve something so catastrophic. And as a support worker for humans I have witnessed various situations like this without the violent suffering factor my bearded dragon endured and thank God it didnt last longer than a few days. As some of you commented - "at least he is not suffering anymore" - but still have pet enthusiasts and care specialist in my local area baffled and in dismay.

Thank you all, I will be back on here in the near future.
 
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