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Yet another time I regret posting details. It distracts from the actual objective of this thread. It isn’t about asking for people to tell me how stupid I am but to share a viv build. Lessons learned.
 

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Timber prices have rocketed over the last few months.

The only reason I asked was that someone I know has built a super pond for turtles. His OH said she thought it was about £400 in total, so he said probably nearer £500. In fact it was over £1,000 excluding the price of specialist drill bits, tools etc. That said, it is an amazing set up.
 

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Yet another time I regret posting details. It distracts from the actual objective of this thread. It isn’t about asking for people to tell me how stupid I am but to share a viv build. Lessons learned.
I've followed it and found it interesting and informative. I don't keep snakes and never will but thank you for posting.
 

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What personally pisses me off is when people tell me how it is my problem then still go down the route to judge me without even reading all details.

And I didn’t expect having to defend myself here but @Malc I recommend reading my responses again.

First of all I said I have no means of cutting 8x4 boards myself. Then I said I used 18mm not 12mm. I also said B&Q close to me (which is a 3hr round trip) has its saw down for four months now.

Also, ply is not ply wood. My goal was to not needing braces and at 8ft you need to make sure you don’t just have the right ply but also look for the grains.

A lot of ‘quick google’ hits are soft or hard ply wood that is a pain in the butt to paint and when using butt joints easily split.

Then you have Spruce, Birch, Chinese Redwood, veneered, treated, industrial construction ply, marine grade, fire retardant, outside / inside, OSB, even ‘smart ply’, grain across, lengthwise or random and a combination of the above.

I didn’t pickup random google hits because I needed to ensure the chosen wood can be butt joined without splitting and is stable enough where to bracing is needed yet I don’t have to worry about warping or any kind of movement. The stuff from B&Q was shockingly light despite its size and actually flaked off at corners.

With glass panels and millimetres of clearance you cannot afford any movement so I had to make sure it isn’t only cut to size, delivered (which is also expensive and part of the cost) but only needs to be up to (my) spec.

Even forgot to mention (again not sure why I care going into details) that the wood ordered is not four sides of the vivarium. I said before it includes the stand. If you look at the pictures you will also see that I wrapped prt of the tank. I made doors, there are shelves inside and god knows what. My order list has 32 pieces of sheet ply in various sizes.

Could I have had it cheaper ? Yes, Maybe.
Am I done with this topic ? Yes !
Do I regret answering that question ? Absolutely!
Is it any of anyone’s business ? No !

I am done.
 

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Yet another time I regret posting details. It distracts from the actual objective of this thread. It isn’t about asking for people to tell me how stupid I am but to share a viv build. Lessons learned.
Take no notice. I've found there will always by someone that will criticize/ disagree with what's posted. You may want to remind Malc that you used 18mm ply, not the 12mm he priced for. I've just done a quick check at b&q and at today's prices 8x4 x18mm ply is £40. Probably a lot dearer when you purchased yours due to supply/ demand with all the DIY going on at the time. Take comments with a pinch of salt - I do- water off a ducks back.
 

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Yet another time I regret posting details. It distracts from the actual objective of this thread. It isn’t about asking for people to tell me how stupid I am but to share a viv build. Lessons learned.
Nobody suggested you were stupid


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Take no notice. I've found there will always by someone that will criticize/ disagree with what's posted. You may want to remind Malc that you used 18mm ply, not the 12mm he priced for. I've just done a quick check at b&q and at today's prices 8x4 x18mm ply is £40. Probably a lot dearer when you purchased yours due to supply/ demand with all the DIY going on at the time. Take comments with a pinch of salt - I do- water off a ducks back.
@frogeyed Thanks. As I say - the cost wasn't even just for four 8x4 sheets but for a total of 32 sheets various sizes and not just soft ply what B&Q is stocking.

I paid nearly 100 quid shipping alone for the weight.

As comparison in terms of quality. B&Q ply is mainly Soft Wood that weighs 13KG per 8x4 sheet. If you look at Spruce, which I am mainly using, you are looking at mainly twice that weight. Whilst B&Q sells also hard wood - the sheets in itself are a lot denser but the quality is 'not all that'. Those were the sheets I found that started splitting by just laying there.

If you want quality you go for Spruce Plywood Type 111/111 - which B&Q doesn't even have. A full sheet is about 55 quid + VAT (8x4) from the place I ordered it from. I needed four. Those were cut to size plus shipping ... So you are already 220 quid in for the boards plus cutting plus shipping. Then (which they don't even offer now anymore) they offered grain direction.

I wanted to avoid 'randomness' as I wanted to paint it and when you butt join ply ideally you want to ensure grain consistency ... So that was a premium.

My point is - without knowing the details it is easy to come to your own conclusion and call BS. And this is something I see more and more in these forums.

Yes I could have posted a LOT more details about wood. Which quality, which sizes for what etc., but this isn't a 'how to'. Otherwise I would have filmed how the stand is build, how it is wrapped and with what, how the doors are made and how the hinge supports are created, how I made sure the top of the viv won't warp and distort the opening so glass won't slide anymore, despite not having braces, what wood I used and how to build the under viv shelving and openings, how some of the wood I ordered isn't just for the viv but actually for other parts not visible and so on.

But as I say - this thread wasn't about that. It was about proudly recording my progress of a viv build that I have never done before.

Anyway, onwards and upwards.
 

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I'm currently watching an interesting video where they make some very realistic natural looking enclosures, based on the reptiles natural habitat, including where they tried water features that went wrong and why they (in their opinions) they should be avoided. I was going to share that link, as either a form of inspiration, but given the response to my comment that you have IMO paid over the top for your timber I'm not going to bother... I NEVER called you stupid, so not Idea where that came from. As for the thickness of the wood, I wasn't sure if you used 12mm or 18, which was why I stated the difference in the prices, which still had little overall effect on the prices. You mentioned all the various types, why? - You won't be using real mahogany veneered ply when you are covering it in artificial background made form foam.... But like I said, it's your build, your budget.... Heck it wasn't even me that raised the question of how much this was costing you

Have you kept a running total of the cost so far
You could have ignored that request, but you didn't, and then when someone comments on those amounts you take offence....

Good luck with the build.... I'll still follow just to see how it all turns out as it's a interesting project.... but I'll reframe form posting my opinions on this post (in a Public forum) seeing how sensitive you are...

All the best....
 

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I didn’t say you said I am stupid. And it has nothing to do with sensitivity. I received several DMs about various posts I have made and I am sick of defending myself.

So basically you hit a sore point. Not with your first comment, not at all. I was asked a question, I responded, you gave me your opinion but kept going why I overpaid without knowing all the details.

Then I get several DMs from other people about this and other points from my post which I am not going into right now.

So you were not the reason I got pissed off @Malc, you just added to the pool or crap I read in DMs.

I mean sure this is a public forum and you get trolls. But I’ve had it. I don’t need that.

And as I said. Your comment that I overpaid wasn’t the problem initially . I said several times this is the first time I built anything so of course I make mistakes.

Overpaying is something I cannot change. It’s done. So yes you can comment on it but coming back arguing again why, makes no difference and distracts from the actual reason for this thread.

And to the guy(s) that sent me DMs today. Grow up.
 

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I'm sorry that I asked now. It was a genuine question. I had no idea that it would come to this. If you wish to report the messages, please do and appropriate action will be taken.
 

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No need to apologise. Not your fault that trolls took Malcs posts as permission to DM bull crap. Anyway. Onwards and upwards. Heating and lighting going in this week and after another couple of weeks substrate and run in.
 

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Ultimately this is your build. Your money, your time, your design and your work.
While I still have my doubts as to how long this will last, with a heavy bodied snake in a viv with live plants, it's neither my snake nor my enclosure.
If it works then great!
And if it doesn't, we'll, it doesn't. At least you had the courage of your convictions to provide the housing you wanted to give.
I'm going to take a wild guess, based on some of your posts, that you are in a very well paid job, and thats great.
What I would say, though, is try not to take things so personally. This is a forum, all you are reading are letters typed in the right order to form words, which go together to make sentences. Human communication is far more than that. In fact over 90% of our communication is non verbal. So what you read as a slight on your efforts could actually be taken very differently if said to you face to face.
This forum is literally just letters put together.
Sometimes we should all remember that.

As for your viv build, I'm interested to see how it all works out. I am always more than happy to be proven wrong!
 

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No need to apologise. Not your fault that trolls took Malcs posts as permission to DM bull crap. Anyway. Onwards and upwards. Heating and lighting going in this week and after another couple of weeks substrate and run in.
My apologies for that. By nature none of us are aware of the PM's that people receive, and this "discussion" over the costings was not meant to lead to that. I've kept this "discussion" public, with the only PM I've received being one form the moderators about the language I used, for which I apologise. I was simply shocked that this build has cost you so much, and whether that was through a lack of research, or convenience wanted to voice a cautionary opinion that might save others paying what is IMO (and it's just that, an opinion) through the nose for materials.

I agree with a couple of points Ian raises, in that often the manor in which a post is written often never comes over correctly compared to an in person conversation. I also have the same opinion that a boa will trash the plants in such a build, but that's not to say you shouldn't do it. If it does then you can put it down to personal experience and learn from it.

Anyway, I've broken my promise and added another post to the thread, but felt that I should apologise for the DMs you have been receiving from other members as a result of me posting my opinions, that was never my intention, and to those who sent the messages there really is no need for it.

As mentioned above, I wish you well with the build, and will still follow your progress
 

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Finally some light. I put in three Arcadia Full Spectrum LED lights, two 22W and one 51W which are mounted in a U Shape



I still got a few 6% T5s, a couple of 24W and a 54W but not sure they fit once the heat panels are in .. will need to see. But full spectrum already is better than nothing. Ideally I get one of the T5 in for the boa but yea - will need to see what it looks like with the heating in.

TBC
 

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Finally some light. I put in three Arcadia Full Spectrum LED lights, two 22W and one 51W which are mounted in a U Shape



I still got a few 6% T5s, a couple of 24W and a 54W but not sure they fit once the heat panels are in .. will need to see. But full spectrum already is better than nothing. Ideally I get one of the T5 in for the boa but yea - will need to see what it looks like with the heating in.

TBC
Already looking very impressive


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