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cryptosporidium any one had a lizard with this if so what treament did u use and did it stop them being ill or a while later it still died? i have had advice from people on this forum and i feel i understand it now thanks to them people you no who you are who gave me advice about the parasite:notworthy:im ringing the vet again 2morrow.

question: did you have a reptile with this that was around for years with treament or would it be best to have them put to sleep? as they might get ill any way and might spreads to my collection? i will ring the vet and have them chat to me and see whats best. so if your thought is to have it put a sleep does not mean i will as i only will if the vet recommends it hoping he dont tho i love my bearded dragon its very upsetting.
 

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i personally havent had it but i know it spreads, very easy, and can kill. be very very very caresful if you think a reptile has it.
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eeek, i woudl advise vets asap (which your doing) and keep that reptile away from others, do not handle it (orif you do wash and change clothes) it does spread crazilly...and is very harmful. i wish you the best of luck.
it come up in a stool sample its been really upsetting
 

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unfortuantely I bought a female leo from a rather nasty reptile shop in heaton, newcastle. bbeing a it of a novice at the time i put it straight in with my 14 year old male and found that she never fed properly. about 2 months later and after numerous vet trips she had to be put down as she was refusing foods and not responding to any treatments.
Unfortunately my male died within a year from the same thing, he WAS eating but would not carry any weight at all and was regurgitating his food and was passing food undigested.
My understandingn is that the parasite attaches to the intestinal lining and although some treatments such as metrinidazole work to kill the parasites they also have the adverse affect of seriously knacking the gecko in question. Another side affect of the parasites is that where they ahhere to the gut lining they scar the intestines and those areas affected no longer absorb food stuffs.
I have bbeen meticulous since then with quarantine procedures on any new introductions, leaving all new leos for atleast 6 months alone to ensure good feeding and good feaces are produced too.
My infected lizards where strictly kept in quarantine and when it came to cleaning I would ALWAYS ensure leaving them till last to minimise rick of cross contamination. Unfortunately even with these rigourous procedures in place another one of my leos went down and I had her put down last week.
If you are definately dealing with crypto then my advice is to have the lizard put down, more so for the sake of all your other lizards and also because it is heart breaking watching them get thinner and thinner knowwing there is nothing you can do to stop it!
I couldnt stop crying when I had my old male put down, he was 15 when he went back in febuary and i'm a 26 year old guy, i know its silly but I had him since I was about 11 and it was just so sad to see what he was and what he had become!!
sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Some one might disagree with me, but i've experienced the horror of it and I wouldnt want anyonen to go through the same thing
 

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this is a VERY complex subject. crypto is found in alot of animals, and while its not seen as a comensal/ non damaging parasite, it can be relatively easily controlled. its estimated that a big chunk of reps can carry this unknown to the owner as so few people get fecal checks done. if the animal is high functioning, still eating, active and gaining weight, then there is still hope that crypto can be reduced, if not totally wiped out. but getting rid of parasites like that in an entire colony is nigh on impossible .

you must be very carefull about live food. NEVER put it back in the storage tub with other insects after it has been in your animals house. clean up poo asap, use alcohol hand gel after ANY contact.

there are some cases of healthy animals being treated and the cleared of crypto, but the animal must be in the best health and be drinking and eating for any real success. alot of the drugs used to treat it causes worse problems in renal impaired or dehydrated creatures.

i geuss the best advcie is to be guided by your vet. if they are an exotic specialist and the animal is drinking, they will probably be happy to try tretament. but if its already sick, obviously it will be a more difficult option.
 

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unfortuantely I bought a female leo from a rather nasty reptile shop in heaton, newcastle. bbeing a it of a novice at the time i put it straight in with my 14 year old male and found that she never fed properly. about 2 months later and after numerous vet trips she had to be put down as she was refusing foods and not responding to any treatments.
Unfortunately my male died within a year from the same thing, he WAS eating but would not carry any weight at all and was regurgitating his food and was passing food undigested.
My understandingn is that the parasite attaches to the intestinal lining and although some treatments such as metrinidazole work to kill the parasites they also have the adverse affect of seriously knacking the gecko in question. Another side affect of the parasites is that where they ahhere to the gut lining they scar the intestines and those areas affected no longer absorb food stuffs.
I have bbeen meticulous since then with quarantine procedures on any new introductions, leaving all new leos for atleast 6 months alone to ensure good feeding and good feaces are produced too.
My infected lizards where strictly kept in quarantine and when it came to cleaning I would ALWAYS ensure leaving them till last to minimise rick of cross contamination. Unfortunately even with these rigourous procedures in place another one of my leos went down and I had her put down last week.
If you are definately dealing with crypto then my advice is to have the lizard put down, more so for the sake of all your other lizards and also because it is heart breaking watching them get thinner and thinner knowwing there is nothing you can do to stop it!
I couldnt stop crying when I had my old male put down, he was 15 when he went back in febuary and i'm a 26 year old guy, i know its silly but I had him since I was about 11 and it was just so sad to see what he was and what he had become!!
sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Some one might disagree with me, but i've experienced the horror of it and I wouldnt want anyonen to go through the same thing
thank m8 yeah i no what u mean i was crying as well still gets me up set
 

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this is a VERY complex subject. crypto is found in alot of animals, and while its not seen as a comensal/ non damaging parasite, it can be relatively easily controlled. its estimated that a big chunk of reps can carry this unknown to the owner as so few people get fecal checks done. if the animal is high functioning, still eating, active and gaining weight, then there is still hope that crypto can be reduced, if not totally wiped out. but getting rid of parasites like that in an entire colony is nigh on impossible .

you must be very carefull about live food. NEVER put it back in the storage tub with other insects after it has been in your animals house. clean up poo asap, use alcohol hand gel after ANY contact.

there are some cases of healthy animals being treated and the cleared of crypto, but the animal must be in the best health and be drinking and eating for any real success. alot of the drugs used to treat it causes worse problems in renal impaired or dehydrated creatures.

i geuss the best advcie is to be guided by your vet. if they are an exotic specialist and the animal is drinking, they will probably be happy to try tretament. but if its already sick, obviously it will be a more difficult option.

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I had a 6 week old baby beardie die of this a couple of days ago. I had bought the two babies from a reputable breeder only a week before, and one hadn't eaten properly for the time I had them. For the last two days it was sat on the basking site not doing anything. When I managed to get an appointment for the vets when I realised it was serious. The vets did a smear and found it had large amounts of the parasites. The poor thing died at the vets when they were giving it anti-crypto drugs and critical care formula. The vet told me that they use a drug thats meant for children, but has no adverse effects on lizards, and has a good cure rate. My other baby is on this now, and is quarantined from the others. It is eating well and very lively. I clean out its viv of waste as soon as it poops, and i use a good anti-microorganism spray. Im hoping it will be ok. regards, chris
 

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I had a 6 week old baby beardie die of this a couple of days ago. I had bought the two babies from a reputable breeder only a week before, and one hadn't eaten properly for the time I had them. For the last two days it was sat on the basking site not doing anything. When I managed to get an appointment for the vets when I realised it was serious. The vets did a smear and found it had large amounts of the parasites. The poor thing died at the vets when they were giving it anti-crypto drugs and critical care formula. The vet told me that they use a drug thats meant for children, but has no adverse effects on lizards, and has a good cure rate. My other baby is on this now, and is quarantined from the others. It is eating well and very lively. I clean out its viv of waste as soon as it poops, and i use a good anti-microorganism spray. Im hoping it will be ok. regards, chris

there are alot of good meds used now to treat stuff that was considered untreatable just a few years ago. its becoming less common for an animal to just be written-off due to some parasites. people are becoming more aware that ANY parasite can be fatal, not just the "bad" ones like crypto. an animal can have a burden of parasites, like coccidia, in bearded dragons and show no adverse side effects. but as soon as the animal gets stressed(maybe a new home or bullying), this gives the parasites the chance to multiply beyond all control. thats when the problems really start.

and as the quote above said, he bought his lizards from a reputable breeder. this just shows that as long as we are content to buy infected animals, we must put up with the need for regular fecal checks and monitoring. but the simple truth is, most people dont seek out a fecal screening from a vet until there is a problem, and then its often too late.
 

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I had a 6 week old baby beardie die of this a couple of days ago. I had bought the two babies from a reputable breeder only a week before, and one hadn't eaten properly for the time I had them. For the last two days it was sat on the basking site not doing anything. When I managed to get an appointment for the vets when I realised it was serious. The vets did a smear and found it had large amounts of the parasites. The poor thing died at the vets when they were giving it anti-crypto drugs and critical care formula. The vet told me that they use a drug thats meant for children, but has no adverse effects on lizards, and has a good cure rate. My other baby is on this now, and is quarantined from the others. It is eating well and very lively. I clean out its viv of waste as soon as it poops, and i use a good anti-microorganism spray. Im hoping it will be ok. regards, chris
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there are alot of good meds used now to treat stuff that was considered untreatable just a few years ago. its becoming less common for an animal to just be written-off due to some parasites. people are becoming more aware that ANY parasite can be fatal, not just the "bad" ones like crypto. an animal can have a burden of parasites, like coccidia, in bearded dragons and show no adverse side effects. but as soon as the animal gets stressed(maybe a new home or bullying), this gives the parasites the chance to multiply beyond all control. thats when the problems really start.

and as the quote above said, he bought his lizards from a reputable breeder. this just shows that as long as we are content to buy infected animals, we must put up with the need for regular fecal checks and monitoring. but the simple truth is, most people dont seek out a fecal screening from a vet until there is a problem, and then its often too late.
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Can i just add that it is extremly rare for Crypto to show up in a fecal smear.

Saying that we do as a rule fecal smear all out new additions, and it is always done within the first few days of their arrival due to the aount of stress the animal has gone through, our thinking is that this would be the optimal time for any nasites to show up. Ideally, it would be best to do several samples over several days if your concerned about Crypto.
 

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Can i just add that it is extremly rare for Crypto to show up in a fecal smear.

Saying that we do as a rule fecal smear all out new additions, and it is always done within the first few days of their arrival due to the aount of stress the animal has gone through, our thinking is that this would be the optimal time for any nasites to show up. Ideally, it would be best to do several samples over several days if your concerned about Crypto.
yeah thats a good idear is there a chance it might of been a bad reading on the results? hope so :( is there a chance it might just carry it with no ill affect or do they all get ill.
 

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I was told by the vet that it is hard to spot the parasites. When i took my adult in for a test, they told me that with their in-house testing facilities, they could just about spot crypto in decent amounts, and if i wanted a full check for any low level infections they would have to send the sample off to a lab with high powered microscopes (i think she said with 1000x mag). When the baby was ill, apparently there was a high enough count of them to be spotted through a lower level microscope. hope this helps, chris
 

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I was told by the vet that it is hard to spot the parasites. When i took my adult in for a test, they told me that with their in-house testing facilities, they could just about spot crypto in decent amounts, and if i wanted a full check for any low level infections they would have to send the sample off to a lab with high powered microscopes (i think she said with 1000x mag). When the baby was ill, apparently there was a high enough count of them to be spotted through a lower level microscope. hope this helps, chris

thanks
 
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