Pinkies and fluffs - throw very hard against a very hard surface. I use the kitchen floor tiles. The technique I use is to place them belly down in my hand and then quickly move my hand up, over and quickly down - slamming them to the floor whilst I'm kneeling. This makes sure that the back of the head hits the ground first and the kill is instant.
Anything older than that goes into a home made CO2 gas chamber.
i couldnt do the whole wack thing.... i love animals far too much to physically be the cause of death.
co2 all the way.
not sure how to make gas chamber, trying to find out for myself! ive had a look on here and theres a few threads but its all rather hush hush.
The thing is pinkies are such a pain to gas they take much longer as they hold their breath. It's more prolonged gassing them as pinkies so an instant whack seems more humane.
i use a pencil or screwdriver behind the neck, then lift the tail up and over towards the head. One small click, then a twitch, then snake food (for small mice and older). same as bothrops for pinks
I just posted this in the other thread asking the same questions:
I've never had my own colony, but I have worked in a well known Zoo in the UK (which I don't feel I should name because how they cull is the Zoo's own business). We snapped their spines by holding the mouse firmly at the case where the tail joins, and doing one firm whack of their heads off the corner of a solid worksurface. This was always instant, there was never anything more than muscle spasm for a second or two. Its pretty quick too, you can do about 1 every 10 seconds.
I'm a lover of all animals and a firm believer that breeding your own mice and rats is much more humane than buying them frozen - you are giving them a better life and you are in control of how they die.
If I had the space/money I would keep my own cows, pigs and chickens and slaughter them myself, rather than buying meat from unhappy, overcrowded and inhumanely slaughtered animals.
chuck the pinks straight in the freezer and any others hold tail, pencil behing head, press down pencil and pull tail.
instant cervical dislocation. very quick and not bloody at all.
chuck the pinks straight in the freezer and any others hold tail, pencil behing head, press down pencil and pull tail.
instant cervical dislocation. very quick and not bloody at all.
It has been scientifically documented that freezing animals alive, even pinkies, causes excruciating pain. As the cells freeze, ice crystals cause then to rupture long before conciousness is lost.
It simply isn't true that they just 'slow down and go to sleep'.
Cervical dislocation however is perfectly acceptable for larger animals.
Hey guys.
I'd really like to pull on peoples experience. I'm not sure at which point I can start using the c02 chamber for the smaller mice. I was thinking anything past ten days old? I'm really not sure and would appreciate the advice rather than go through the horror or trial and error.
By ten days old my mice are showing patterns bodly and have fine hair. I would say they are smaller to medium sized fuzzies.
i dont mean to butt in but can i just ask a question, what happens to the mothers milk if all her pinks are taken away, does it just dry up no physical harm done or does it lead to things like mastitus. do you leave one or two young to suckle the milk? or cull the whole litter?
i'm sorry if this is a little stupid or out of place
if you keep them in a 1.2 or bigger group the female will feed the other females babies so you wont get problems.
even pregnant females will feed other females babies before they pop their litters.
i`ve taken whole litters before at pinkie size and not had any mom`s get ill with mastitis.
Thanks for answering my question. by 1.2 do you mean 1male with 2females? what if its just a single female? is it still safe for the female, if the whole litter is culled at a day or two old? sorry to be dumb i'm just curious ?
Thanks for answering my question. by 1.2 do you mean 1male with 2females? what if its just a single female? is it still safe for the female, if the whole litter is culled at a day or two old? sorry to be dumb i'm just curious ?
you shouldnt really keep females on their own. apparently they dont cope very well plus you are more likely to have loses in larger litters.
i have my females in 3's and make sure all three get along well. the other two females which are pregnant, it often seems to work out that one female pops, the other is due 5-10 days after and the other 5 or more days after that. this way there is a continuous supply of babies and milk.
so i have two enclosures with three females and the male is kept on his own except when ive got a female in with him.
i put one to three females in with him at a time and he gets a break inbetween mating. i find this helps him get the females pregnant as soon as they come into estrus and he doesnt get lazy.
if new borns are taken away then hopefully the mother only has a couple of days to wait until she can feed the babies of the second litter.
i dont need pinks or small fuzzies so only cull once mice are large enough to go into the c02 chamber. this is a huge relief for me as i find culling by hand difficult.
all of my mice are friendly and the females never seem to be distressed by litters being removed though i dont take a whole litter anyway.
also when cleaning nurserys it helps if you remove the females first and clean around the remaining pups.
I cull the mice same way as a few have mentioned, hold tail, swing and hit head/neck onto hard surface (yes sounds awful but it's instant).
I have 5 breeding groups now and the male stays in with the females all the time. They are great dads and will sit on the nest and keep the babies warm just as the mum does.
I cull the mice same way as a few have mentioned, hold tail, swing and hit head/neck onto hard surface (yes sounds awful but it's instant).
I have 5 breeding groups now and the male stays in with the females all the time. They are great dads and will sit on the nest and keep the babies warm just as the mum does.
I've not killed baby mice under a few weeks old but my method for grown mice requires no real DIY skill no making anything and more importantly... no violence.
I have a sealy CO2 bottle for my MiG welder. The bottles cost £15 to £20 with postage. For the gas chamber I simply use a pringles tube which has a cosy fit around the gas bottle. Pop a few mice in, open the valve just ever so slightly so you can hear gas coming out, slide bottle into pringles tube by an inch or so and lay the whole thing down to give the mice some floor space. Doesn't take long and there's no drama in there, quick n simple.
A. is putting the mouse on a table, pinning its neck down with a pair of tongs and pull the tail, which dislocated the brain fromthe spin killing instantly. This and gassing is the defra approved method used in most labs Note: this does not work on smaller rodents as the tail will pull off leaving the animal alive.
B. hold them by the tail, then Literally just hitting them on a table as hard as possible
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