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Me and a friend are hoping to head up to the Doncaster show in June and we're both wanting to add something else to our collection.

She's already set on a leachie gecko but I'd really like another snake. Only issue is I'm torn between a few species and was wondering if any of you have any tips or such from owning either to help me decide? Or, if you've got any better suggestions altogether I'd be up for hearing them! : victory:

The three species I'm considering:
• Speckled King
• Mexican Black King
• Jungle Carpet Python

(I'm looking for a snake that doesn't tend to exceed 6 feet, tolerates/likes handling and is ideally dark in colour. Mustn't need live food or anything specialised and should be a little more substantial than my western hognose.)
 

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Me and a friend are hoping to head up to the Doncaster show in June and we're both wanting to add something else to our collection.

She's already set on a leachie gecko but I'd really like another snake. Only issue is I'm torn between a few species and was wondering if any of you have any tips or such from owning either to help me decide? Or, if you've got any better suggestions altogether I'd be up for hearing them! : victory:

The three species I'm considering:
• Speckled King
• Mexican Black King
• Jungle Carpet Python

(I'm looking for a snake that doesn't tend to exceed 6 feet, tolerates/likes handling and is ideally dark in colour. Mustn't need live food or anything specialised and should be a little more substantial than my western hognose.)
Any of those 3 would be fine if you're prepared to take the time & effort to tame them, as all 3 can be quite snappy if you don't, especially the speckled king & the carpet. Also, jungle carpets can exceed your 6' size limit.
Other options are:
Normal corn,
Desert king (like most getula complex kings it will need taming),
any other kings (as above),
bull snake (as above),
rosy boa (many different types),
Japanese rat snake,
any of the milk snakes (they tolerate handling rather than enjoy it, but very few of them are biters with the notable exception of the Honduran),
dwarf boa constrictors (but make sure it's one of the TRUE island dwarf locales that grow to 5-6' max).
 

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Any of those 3 would be fine if you're prepared to take the time & effort to tame them, as all 3 can be quite snappy if you don't, especially the speckled king & the carpet. Also, jungle carpets can exceed your 6' size limit.
Other options are:
Normal corn,
Desert king (like most getula complex kings it will need taming),
any other kings (as above),
bull snake (as above),
rosy boa (many different types),
Japanese rat snake,
any of the milk snakes (they tolerate handling rather than enjoy it, but very few of them are biters with the notable exception of the Honduran),
dwarf boa constrictors (but make sure it's one of the TRUE island dwarf locales that grow to 5-6' max).


Of those three and taking your description / requirements I'd suggest the Mexican Black King .




I was going to suggest a Rhino Nose Rat snake but it's green so maybe not dark enough .


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How about a Bairds rat snake. Most tend to be dark grey with copper edging to the scales, don't grow that large, tolerate handling (my pair never bit me) and are no that common these days.

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Tbh, I'd forgotten about them- yes you're right, they aren't biters at all, they are like corns in temperament & requirements.

Another option I'd forgotten would be several of the garters- some are biters, but many, including the most common species are not, & they have a black base colour with stripes. & they all grow to well below the OP's 6' limit.
 

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Of those three and taking your description / requirements I'd suggest the Mexican Black King .



I was going to suggest a Rhino Nose Rat snake but it's green so maybe not dark enough .


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But you have quoted me & not the OP.
The rhino rat suggestion is a good one, & may well fit the OP's criteria- after all they only said preferably dark coloured.
 

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I've never kept one myself, how about a Russian rat snake. Although they might be at the top end of your size limit, and in some rare cases surpass that size. They're hardy, seem to enjoy handling, not problematic feeders dark in colour. With most people who keep them saying they're a pleasure to keep, with a friendly and curious personalities.
 

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I've never kept one myself, how about a Russian rat snake. Although they might be at the top end of your size limit, and in some rare cases surpass that size. They're hardy, seem to enjoy handling, not problematic feeders dark in colour. With most people who keep them saying they're a pleasure to keep, with a friendly and curious personalities.
Russian rats are a great choice if you decide on a colubrid rather than a python, mine have a great feeding response but are totally docile once out and about. Unlike the king snakes that will sit quietly in your hand for a while then try and swallow a finger!
They certainly can get to a reasonable size but not as big as a JCP.
I normally hand a Russian to Royal keepers to help them learn how to handle a snake that moves!
 

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Thanks for all the suggestions guys! A lot to consider here. Will also come down to what I see at the show I guess!

I'd rather stay away from corns. They're just not interesting to me, as bad as it sounds. There's just so many of them around, like bearded dragons, recommended as first reptiles with so much bad husbandry advice given away with them. Ack.

I do have the time to tame down a king, but if there's something a little more chilled out I'm up for that~

I have a friend who recs bull snakes as their favourite of their collection, will definitely add to the research list.

Oooooh, I rather love the unicolour rosy boas. Definitely high up my list now. Would be nice to have a boa to complete the set between the my colubrid and my friend's python.

I've never heard of Baird's rat snakes but they are beyond beautiful. Straight to top of the list they go!
Japanese and Russian rat snakes are rather beautiful, if a little large. I've heard a lot about Russian rats being extremely friendly and personable though!
Aren't rhino rats real hard to get hold of atm? No worries about the colour, I love that green~

Definitely will look into dwarf boas. Gorgeous creatures. How is it possible to tell if they're true dwarfs though? I'm sure there are people selling them who'd tell me whatever I wanted to hear and I certainly don't have the room for a fully grown BCI in my house! My puppy would not be best pleased either.

Garters are a little small for my liking and I've heard they're tricky eaters?
 

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Thanks for all the suggestions guys! A lot to consider here. Will also come down to what I see at the show I guess!

I'd rather stay away from corns. They're just not interesting to me, as bad as it sounds. There's just so many of them around, like bearded dragons, recommended as first reptiles with so much bad husbandry advice given away with them. Ack.

I do have the time to tame down a king, but if there's something a little more chilled out I'm up for that~

I have a friend who recs bull snakes as their favourite of their collection, will definitely add to the research list.

Oooooh, I rather love the unicolour rosy boas. Definitely high up my list now. Would be nice to have a boa to complete the set between the my colubrid and my friend's python.

I've never heard of Baird's rat snakes but they are beyond beautiful. Straight to top of the list they go!
Japanese and Russian rat snakes are rather beautiful, if a little large. I've heard a lot about Russian rats being extremely friendly and personable though!
Aren't rhino rats real hard to get hold of atm? No worries about the colour, I love that green~

Definitely will look into dwarf boas. Gorgeous creatures. How is it possible to tell if they're true dwarfs though? I'm sure there are people selling them who'd tell me whatever I wanted to hear and I certainly don't have the room for a fully grown BCI in my house! My puppy would not be best pleased either.

Garters are a little small for my liking and I've heard they're tricky eaters?
Japanese rats top out at about 5', so they're within your size limits.
As for dwarf boas, any good seller will have paperwork on them. Plus the patterns vary between each of the locales, & look different from standard BCIs. Pretty sure there are comparison pics online somewhere, as I have seen them somewhere.
Garters can grow to 3-4' depending on the species, & will eat thawed fish as well as earthworms- they are among the easiest of snakes to keep.
 

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A 6ft king and 6ft Jungle carpet is very different proposition imo.

If you have the space for a 6ft snake, use the same amount of space, but use it for a garter.
 

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Garters are just even pickier hoggies to me though, not to mention I'd really like a more girthy snake that likes handling and from my experience garters really are not fond of it and are essentially angry shoelaces.
Plus sourcing fish or earthworms sounds like a real hassle if I end up with one that goes off pinkies. :/

Whatever I end up deciding on I'll make sure I'm totally equipped to deal with before I purchase, no impulse decisions here. Currently the Mexican Black King, dwarf boas and the Bairds or Japanese Ratsnake are my favourites, will do some further research into them all.
 

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Thanks for all the suggestions guys! A lot to consider here. Will also come down to what I see at the show I guess!

I'd rather stay away from corns. They're just not interesting to me, as bad as it sounds. There's just so many of them around, like bearded dragons, recommended as first reptiles with so much bad husbandry advice given away with them. Ack.

I do have the time to tame down a king, but if there's something a little more chilled out I'm up for that~

I have a friend who recs bull snakes as their favourite of their collection, will definitely add to the research list.

Oooooh, I rather love the unicolour rosy boas. Definitely high up my list now. Would be nice to have a boa to complete the set between the my colubrid and my friend's python.

I've never heard of Baird's rat snakes but they are beyond beautiful. Straight to top of the list they go!
Japanese and Russian rat snakes are rather beautiful, if a little large. I've heard a lot about Russian rats being extremely friendly and personable though!
Aren't rhino rats real hard to get hold of atm? No worries about the colour, I love that green~

It's not about having time to tame down a king, they're usually "tame" anyway once they get some size to them, it's just they love to give things (usually hands/fingers!) a "test" bite/chew just to see if they're edible!
Japanese and Russians aren't that much bigger than the aforementioned kings.
Bull snakes can get hugeby comparison. Some of them can also be pretty exciting to try and handle to say the least, all of them seem to have a spectacular feeding response.
 

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The only thing I'd warn about garters is the horrendous poo if you feed them on fish! And remember no goldfish! Small garters are without a doubt (in my experience) the winners of the I WILL get out of this cage! Award. For what it's worth, I'd say a carpet Python will keep you entertained, but probably will stretch your length limit, I'm sure jungles are one of the smaller subspecies but I'm no expert. One thing that I don't think has been mentioned is a short tail Python. They don't fit exactly what you're after as in handling wise, and they need a bit more attention husbandry wise but you might want to take a look. It may not suit you at all, but once I got mine I was hooked. All the best
 

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Thanks for all the suggestions guys! A lot to consider here. Will also come down to what I see at the show I guess!

I'd rather stay away from corns. They're just not interesting to me, as bad as it sounds. There's just so many of them around, like bearded dragons, recommended as first reptiles with so much bad husbandry advice given away with them. Ack.

I do have the time to tame down a king, but if there's something a little more chilled out I'm up for that~

I have a friend who recs bull snakes as their favourite of their collection, will definitely add to the research list.

Oooooh, I rather love the unicolour rosy boas. Definitely high up my list now. Would be nice to have a boa to complete the set between the my colubrid and my friend's python.

I've never heard of Baird's rat snakes but they are beyond beautiful. Straight to top of the list they go!
Japanese and Russian rat snakes are rather beautiful, if a little large. I've heard a lot about Russian rats being extremely friendly and personable though!
Aren't rhino rats real hard to get hold of atm? No worries about the colour, I love that green~

It's not about having time to tame down a king, they're usually "tame" anyway once they get some size to them, it's just they love to give things (usually hands/fingers!) a "test" bite/chew just to see if they're edible!
Japanese and Russians aren't that much bigger than the aforementioned kings.
Bull snakes can get hugeby comparison. Some of them can also be pretty exciting to try and handle to say the least, all of them seem to have a spectacular feeding response.

A few come up for sale every year in our classifieds section , presumably the next batch will be a available soon .

I paid £120 for a cute little pale green/ grey hatching ... It's now a stunning 3' vivid green young adult . They are active pretty much 24/7 , and are stunning display animals whilst being fabulous to handle as well , lovely and gentle plus nice and slow moving .

Mine usually eats UNDER water but I don't know if that's normal for them or if he's just a weirdo :)


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Me and a friend are hoping to head up to the Doncaster show in June and we're both wanting to add something else to our collection.



She's already set on a leachie gecko but I'd really like another snake. Only issue is I'm torn between a few species and was wondering if any of you have any tips or such from owning either to help me decide? Or, if you've got any better suggestions altogether I'd be up for hearing them! : victory:



The three species I'm considering:

• Speckled King

• Mexican Black King

• Jungle Carpet Python



(I'm looking for a snake that doesn't tend to exceed 6 feet, tolerates/likes handling and is ideally dark in colour. Mustn't need live food or anything specialised and should be a little more substantial than my western hognose.)


The other one I thought of would be a rainbow boa of some kind. Brazilians are the most common, but the likes of the Peruvian or paraguayans are stunning too, have a google!


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Thank you for all the help, if I can find one at Doncaster I'm rather smitten with the Rhino Ratsnakes! Would make an amusing addition to my reptiles considering my other snake is a hoggie. Must like those snakes with the strange 'nose' scales lol
 

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A few come up for sale every year in our classifieds section , presumably the next batch will be a available soon .

I paid £120 for a cute little pale green/ grey hatching ... It's now a stunning 3' vivid green young adult . They are active pretty much 24/7 , and are stunning display animals whilst being fabulous to handle as well , lovely and gentle plus nice and slow moving .

Mine usually eats UNDER water but I don't know if that's normal for them or if he's just a weirdo :)


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Lovely snakes and just as nature intended!

I'd love one, but for some reason cost a fortune here in the US.
 

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If a bullsnake is on the list, then the black pine snake should also be on it. I've had both, and my black pines had a more mellow disposition than the bullsnakes.
 
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