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I recently acquired a stunning Jaeger's Ground Snake (Erythrolamprus jaegeri) - added pic to highlight how gorgeous he is - and wasn't told an awful lot about his care. I've trawled the net and come up with precious little.
Does anybody on here keep them or have kept them and can give me some pointers for temps, humidity etc please

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I recently acquired a stunning Jaeger's Ground Snake (Erythrolamprus jaegeri) - added pic to highlight how gorgeous he is - and wasn't told an awful lot about his care. I've trawled the net and come up with precious little.
Does anybody on here keep them or have kept them and can give me some pointers for temps, humidity etc please

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All I could find in a Yahoo search is that they eat fish & amphibians & that they come from Brazil. I could find nothing at all regarding their captive care.
 

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I have to ask why would you get a snake without having any idea on its requirements for captive care....? Normal process is research the environmental conditions required, the dietary requirements, and any special husbandry requirements, and then if you can provide them all then seek a source for the reptile in question.

What information was given from the vendor ? -If it was captive bred than they should be able to give you all the information you seek

Cracking looking snake, very attractive
 

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I have to ask why would you get a snake without having any idea on its requirements for captive care....? Normal process is research the environmental conditions required, the dietary requirements, and any special husbandry requirements, and then if you can provide them all then seek a source for the reptile in question.

What information was given from the vendor ? -If it was captive bred than they should be able to give you all the information you seek

Cracking looking snake, very attractive
I did 2 fairly intensive Yahoo searches for the OP, one under the common name, the other under the scientific name, both with emphasis on captive care- 4 pages in with each search & I came up with nada for captive care, & very little about the species' behaviour or habits, only its diet & location.
 

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I've done similar searches finding two main scientific papers with one on diet and the other on reproduction (from that also got expected adult size). I've also managed to find year round weather reports in the locales they've been spotted (big differences with one hour and humid and other similar to here).

As for getting the snake before researching care requirements, the shop told me that it was sub adult, from Madagascar, lives on or in the ground, is semi aquatic feeding predominantly on fish - they did manage to feed him part of a pinky - and is rear-fanged and would be fine at our temps (ie no heat source requirements). It's only after getting him home that I tried to research further and find out they live in Uruguay and Brazil, aren't rear-fanged and like to eat amphibians - in the feeding paper they also found evidence of isopods in some stomachs (guess bioactive is out then haha)
 

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I would also point out that no snake from Madagascar will need no heating.
Or from Uruguay.
You could try frogs legs, you can order them from specialist food suppliers.
 

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I keep them. I am surprised to see one bought so casually to be honest, they are very rare in the UK and rare in the EU, although Massimo Campo/ Stunning Serpents breeds them regularly.
They are not from Madagascar, they are South American.

They are not difficult to keep and have similar care to the related Gold-Bellied snake (Erythrolamprus poecilogyrus). You should have an easier time finding care articles for those.
This species is a fish and frog eater, small specimens may need live guppies to get going but once they are eating are voracious and will take frogs' legs, pieces of trout fillet, frozen-thawed fish like whitebait and dillies, and pinks scented with fish. They will even take fish-flavoured cat food occasionally although I would not recommend this - it can be useful for scenting though.

They are semi-aquatic and like to swim; if kept in a semi-aquatic enclosure they will spend a lot of time in the water, although they do not need a semi-aquatic enclosure (as with Garter snakes, keeping them on damp substrate can result in health issues - they do need a big water bowl though). I do provide them a humid hide, which is a 3L tub with a hole cut into the side, half filled with damp sphagnum and earth.

Overhead heating is best, I keep mine in glass enclosures with mesh lids (Exo terras) with halogen bulbs directed through the mesh onto a basking spot (just a log, branch or flat stone), I also provide UV and strongly recommend this. Basking surface temperature can reach 40C, I do not heat the rest of the enclosure which is maintained at just above room temperature. If you live in a cold region they would probably benefit from a small heat pad at night but I don't provide this as the room mine are in doesn't drop below about 22C at night.
 

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I keep them. I am surprised to see one bought so casually to be honest, they are very rare in the UK and rare in the EU, although Massimo Campo/ Stunning Serpents breeds them regularly.
They are not from Madagascar, they are South American.

They are not difficult to keep and have similar care to the related Gold-Bellied snake (Erythrolamprus poecilogyrus). You should have an easier time finding care articles for those.
This species is a fish and frog eater, small specimens may need live guppies to get going but once they are eating are voracious and will take frogs' legs, pieces of trout fillet, frozen-thawed fish like whitebait and dillies, and pinks scented with fish. They will even take fish-flavoured cat food occasionally although I would not recommend this - it can be useful for scenting though.

They are semi-aquatic and like to swim; if kept in a semi-aquatic enclosure they will spend a lot of time in the water, although they do not need a semi-aquatic enclosure (as with Garter snakes, keeping them on damp substrate can result in health issues - they do need a big water bowl though). I do provide them a humid hide, which is a 3L tub with a hole cut into the side, half filled with damp sphagnum and earth.

Overhead heating is best, I keep mine in glass enclosures with mesh lids (Exo terras) with halogen bulbs directed through the mesh onto a basking spot (just a log, branch or flat stone), I also provide UV and strongly recommend this. Basking surface temperature can reach 40C, I do not heat the rest of the enclosure which is maintained at just above room temperature. If you live in a cold region they would probably benefit from a small heat pad at night but I don't provide this as the room mine are in doesn't drop below about 22C at night.
Thank you for the info and do feel he was sold too casually, I was told he was rare but didn't realise how rare. The care they told us was way off mark as told room temp would be fine and the enclosure he's in is too small so will be changing as soon as possible
 

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Thank you for the info and do feel he was sold too casually, I was told he was rare but didn't realise how rare. The care they told us was way off mark as told room temp would be fine and the enclosure he's in is too small so will be changing as soon as possible
Plus they told you he's Madagascan when he is in fact South American, & largely Brazilian.
 

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Thank you for the info and do feel he was sold too casually, I was told he was rare but didn't realise how rare. The care they told us was way off mark as told room temp would be fine and the enclosure he's in is too small so will be changing as soon as possible
What shop was this?

I know advice given out by shops can be subjective (rabbit hutch size, for starters), but surely giving outright false information is not ok. Can they be reported to some organisation, or otherwise be made to step up their game?
A lot of people trust sellers implicitly, particularly physical shops and while it's definitely on buyers to do their own research, sellers giving out improper species care is a a pretty good way for animals to die...
 

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What shop was this?

I know advice given out by shops can be subjective (rabbit hutch size, for starters), but surely giving outright false information is not ok. Can they be reported to some organisation, or otherwise be made to step up their game?
A lot of people trust sellers implicitly, particularly physical shops and while it's definitely on buyers to do their own research, sellers giving out improper species care is a a pretty good way for animals to die...
They were most likely going by misinformation that they themselves had been given, possibly by their suppliers, rather than consciously giving false information.
 

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They were most likely going by misinformation that they themselves had been given, possibly by their suppliers, rather than consciously giving false information.
That's still unacceptable on all fronts though, surely?

Like there's a massive difference between a shop, private seller OR big supplier mislabelling the genes in a particular morph or something vs telling a buyer that a species doesn't need heating...
(Particularly if they're accepting money and assumingly making a profit on the animal!)
 

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That's still unacceptable on all fronts though, surely?

Like there's a massive difference between a shop, private seller OR big supplier mislabelling the genes in a particular morph or something vs telling a buyer that a species doesn't need heating...
That's true, but a shop can only advise a buyer what it knows or has been led in good faith to understand. If a new, unidentified reptile comes in, in a shipment with little information about it available, then the shop can only go by what the supplier has told them.
 

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I'm not making excuses for them but they're just starting and wouldn't have sold him to any ordinary punter and it was only after long conversations I'd had with them over a period that they knew I could look after him.
I'm glad to say I've now got him a larger palace with heat and will install a nice pool for him to swim in as well. I won't be going bioactive though as the Brazilian feeding study mentioned earlier had found digested isopods in amongst amphibians and fish in the stomach contents.
It does surprise me that these aren't more popular as they are stunning snakes.
 

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When I bought an unknown carpet from a pet shop once they essentially gave me a disclaimer saying that they cannot guarantee the information is correct but actually showed me their research so I could make an estimated guess. Like they sold me that as a Darwin Carpet Python, which is Australian, but as it turned out was a (likely wc) Irian Jaya which was from New Guinea.
 
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