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I was kicked off a forum earlier for asking for objective views on substrate, they were anti loose substrate. I use Pro Beardie life substrate and had no problems. The site kept showing pictures of impaction, dead dragons, some writing from a person who sadly put their dragon down through impaction. I asked about dragons wanting to dig and how it was innate. Still shouldnt use it as dragons ‘may’ want to dig. So I asked about gravid females and digging. It was ok to provide a dig box though. ??????? I was spoken to like I was a trouble maker tried to be made to feel belittled, got told by an admin chap, he had extensive knowledge (he’s had beardies 15 years) from ‘vets’??? Not a herp vets, no mention AND has been to Australia where beardies come from and our substrate is not the same and beardies out there, are not on sand/soil/rock. What are they on tarmac?? Loose substrate aids bacteria is unhygienic etc but isn’t fake grass equally if not more unhygienic. Because I was having what I thought was a civil discussion, and being objective, they kicked me off. But not before asking who I was pushing an agenda when I agreed to no loose substrates on the forum rules? I wasn’t pushing an agenda I was asking them how they came to the conclusion that tile, fake grass, kitchen roll etc is better than a loose substrate. I agreed calci sand, wood chips, pellets etc are not good, but Beardie life? Or a mix of sand and top soil? I’m the end I said they were too militant for me lol
 

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I was kicked off a forum earlier for asking for objective views on substrate, they were anti loose substrate. I use Pro Beardie life substrate and had no problems. The site kept showing pictures of impaction, dead dragons, some writing from a person who sadly put their dragon down through impaction. I asked about dragons wanting to dig and how it was innate. Still shouldnt use it as dragons ‘may’ want to dig. So I asked about gravid females and digging. It was ok to provide a dig box though. ??????? I was spoken to like I was a trouble maker tried to be made to feel belittled, got told by an admin chap, he had extensive knowledge (he’s had beardies 15 years) from ‘vets’??? Not a herp vets, no mention AND has been to Australia where beardies come from and our substrate is not the same and beardies out there, are not on sand/soil/rock. What are they on tarmac?? Loose substrate aids bacteria is unhygienic etc but isn’t fake grass equally if not more unhygienic. Because I was having what I thought was a civil discussion, and being objective, they kicked me off. But not before asking who I was pushing an agenda when I agreed to no loose substrates on the forum rules? I wasn’t pushing an agenda I was asking them how they came to the conclusion that tile, fake grass, kitchen roll etc is better than a loose substrate. I agreed calci sand, wood chips, pellets etc are not good, but Beardie life? Or a mix of sand and top soil? I’m the end I said they were too militant for me lol
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I was kicked off a forum earlier for asking for objective views on substrate, they were anti loose substrate. I use Pro Beardie life substrate and had no problems. The site kept showing pictures of impaction, dead dragons, some writing from a person who sadly put their dragon down through impaction. I asked about dragons wanting to dig and how it was innate. Still shouldnt use it as dragons ‘may’ want to dig. So I asked about gravid females and digging. It was ok to provide a dig box though. ??????? I was spoken to like I was a trouble maker tried to be made to feel belittled, got told by an admin chap, he had extensive knowledge (he’s had beardies 15 years) from ‘vets’??? Not a herp vets, no mention AND has been to Australia where beardies come from and our substrate is not the same and beardies out there, are not on sand/soil/rock. What are they on tarmac?? Loose substrate aids bacteria is unhygienic etc but isn’t fake grass equally if not more unhygienic. Because I was having what I thought was a civil discussion, and being objective, they kicked me off. But not before asking who I was pushing an agenda when I agreed to no loose substrates on the forum rules? I wasn’t pushing an agenda I was asking them how they came to the conclusion that tile, fake grass, kitchen roll etc is better than a loose substrate. I agreed calci sand, wood chips, pellets etc are not good, but Beardie life? Or a mix of sand and top soil? I’m the end I said they were too militant for me lol
Hi, can you give me the name of the group, I`d like to join and create a bit of havoc (in a nice way of course)!?
Just because someone has been to my home country doesn`t mean they are familiar with these animals there (many born and bred Aussies aren`t)... I genuinely DO have experience of the species in parts of their range.
 

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See this is why I don’t have Facebook!
Bloody idiots!
Just ignore them, not worth it. This site is a lot better for any information and people on here actually help you x


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Am I allowed to say the name? Oh well it’s Beatded Dragons Uk (original) est 2011 I think that’s the full title. The main militant character is a man. i won’t say who but you’ll realise pretty quick murrindindi. Be prepared to get kicked off! For new owners they can be friendly but also take delight in telling you where you’re going wrong with their quite extensive knowledge. I’m being sarcastic lol
 

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This is my go to group for ANY advice and questions I just joined to see other people’s dragons set ups etc. But felt that scaremongering was their agenda. I sent a pic of my dragon, because loose substrate was visible I was told only to send pics without the substrate or they run the risk of repeating themselves to new members about the dangers. So I complied. The reason I got into the discussion was I was tagged under why loose substrate is the work of the devil. Needless to say that pissed me off as I complied with their request of no pics showing it. Anyhow I got spoken down to so told them I was leaving before they gave me the boot. Lol so childish that grown people can’t have a civil discussion lol
 

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For any forum to have militant rules that you mustn't even discuss loose substrates, & for members to suggest that the need to dig is exactly why you mustn't use it & for a so-called long term keeper to claim to have been to Australia & that beardies don't live on loose substrates there, is just stark barking mental & obviously run by clueless little Hitlers- that forum & another similar one I've heard about on Leos (an American one which also bans people for discussing loose substrates), is everything that's wrong with the hobby.
 

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We arent able to say shop names so groups might be the same, you would need to ask a mod. But in terms of the group itself, i really wouldnt worry about being removed you arent missing out.

Some people just dig in on old husbandry and its the animals that have to deal with it. In a lot of cases its because they have to change things in a setup rather than just having a box with a heatlamp and tube or they get too tied up in the word "pet" and miss the point that its a reptile, not a warm blooded mammal like a rabbit or cat.
 

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This is my go to group for ANY advice and questions I just joined to see other people’s dragons set ups etc. But felt that scaremongering was their agenda. I sent a pic of my dragon, because loose substrate was visible I was told only to send pics without the substrate or they run the risk of repeating themselves to new members about the dangers. So I complied. The reason I got into the discussion was I was tagged under why loose substrate is the work of the devil. Needless to say that pissed me off as I complied with their request of no pics showing it. Anyhow I got spoken down to so told them I was leaving before they gave me the boot. Lol so childish that grown people can’t have a civil discussion lol
They sound like everything that's wrong with the hobby.:devil:
 

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Some people just dig in on old husbandry and its the animals that have to deal with it. In a lot of cases its because they have to change things in a setup rather than just having a box with a heatlamp and tube or they get too tied up in the word "pet" and miss the point that its a reptile, not a warm blooded mammal like a rabbit or cat.
I think that you will always have two camps where people will stick to the old "if it works why change it" attitude and can't see past their noses in order to try new things. I must admit, I tend to fall into that a tad myself... but equally I've been willing to follow other people's suggestions rather than dig my heels in.

There is no real single right way of keeping the reptiles we love and admire. I don't keep lizards anymore, so can't really comment on the ideal substrate for this species, but I guess if the OP feels confident that trialing a different substrate that goes against those hard core stick in the muds opinions then maybe its worth doing. Afterall, someone at some point suggested using something other than newspaper at one point !
 

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Don't fret, I got booted from that one too but to be honest I was ready to go. Attitude of Admins was atrocious. How they keep so many members is beyond me. The way some people are spoken to there was unbelievable.

Some spotty snowflake tried to tell me I don't know my 9 year old soppy dog, shouldn't trust her and must remove my post mentioning her.

I'm slowly coming off most FB groups around animals.

Unregulated, unckecked with so many nameless keyboard warriors claiming they know more than reptile specialists and pet shops.
 

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Don't fret, I got booted from that one too but to be honest I was ready to go. Attitude of Admins was atrocious. How they keep so many members is beyond me. The way some people are spoken to there was unbelievable.

Some spotty snowflake tried to tell me I don't know my 9 year old soppy dog, shouldn't trust her and must remove my post mentioning her.

I'm slowly coming off most FB groups around animals.

Unregulated, unckecked with so many nameless keyboard warriors claiming they know more than reptile specialists and pet shops.
Hi, too many petshops are every bit as badly informed as some of the Facebook groups!
 
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I think the fear is the animals ingest the substrate causing impaction. The reality is that poor husbandry causes impaction - not loose substrate.

I am sure there must be millions - millions I tell ya, of Bearded Dragons suffering from impaction all over their native Australia!!
 
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I`ve just been told I may not be suitable for the group after I suggested it`s important to know what the basking surface temp is and that a Temp-gun is necessary for that, then someone suggested the only temps anyone needs to check are the ambient? I`m devastated, the amount of experience and knowledge displayed within the group is miniscule (sorry folks)... Onward and downward we go!
 
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