Reptile Forums banner
1 - 20 of 68 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
183 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
I have two Earless Dragons. These are identical to baby bearded dragons in every way ;) I understand many won't know what they are. But please just come up with some ideas for a baby bearded dragon.

I am extremely worried about the lizard which I expect to be female, as her behaviour has changed dramatically almost overnight. I expect there to be a female and male, as I did see the male "mount" the female several times over a few weeks. This explains the greyish sores found on the female. This is apparently a sign of them mating (according to caresheets) and is nothing to be concerned about. However, proceeding this, she seems to have gone... strange.

Symptoms are as follows:
- Not really moving. She NEVER goes on their basking spot anymore. She just kind of sleeps with her eyes slightly open in one place. This place changes dependant on the temperature she'd like. Of a night I have found her tucked
under her artificial plant. So this shows she can move when she wants?

- Loss of appetite. I have thrown calcium-dusted crickets into their vivarium, for only the male to munch them up. The female doesn't even move or turn her head in interest. Yesterday though, she DID eat. This was from me picking her up. It seemed like she suddenly just switched from a tired sleepy dragon to one which was fully alert and ready to munch. She was running around catching crickets and everything! But I thought it was strange how it took me to pick her up for her to even be alert.

- Eyes often closed, with just a slit of them open.

- ?Irregular? breathing? Not too sure on this one. When I have crept upto the tank, she seems to breath fine (evident by her sides collapsing in and out. This is not a sign of being underfed either. As the male who eats a healthy amount of crix has this too). However, when she knows I'm there, she seems to hold her breath and play "dead".

- The male has now stopped "mounting" the female.

She just doesn't look healthy...Impaction?

 

·
Registered
Joined
·
359 Posts
personally id get the little one straight to a reptile vet, that way they can do bloods, faecal sample and xrays to check for paracites, impaction or dystocia if she has been with a male. the sooner the better, i lost a leopard gecko as was lethargic and died within days. these things happen sooo quickly!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
183 Posts
Discussion Starter · #4 ·
Oh dear !! She just doesn't open her eyes at all now... She can walk/run fine when she wants to... but her eyes are just never open.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
359 Posts
something doesn't sound right, if you can get her into vets tomorrow, at least you can get her checked to be on the safe side.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,367 Posts
I couldn't really say anymore than to go to the vets. I would however start another similar thread properly titled. There are tympanocryptis tetraporophora (excuse spelling if incorrect!) owners that will simply overlook beardy threads but may be able to help.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
183 Posts
Discussion Starter · #8 ·
Hi,

Just for a quick update.

Took the little one to the vets, and the nurse reckoned it could be retained eye shedding? She wasn't sure, as otherwise the rep looked healthy. After some cleaning with a cotton bud, she opened her eyes.

However, she's now back in the tank, her eyes closed again.

The breeder has cleverly suggested it could be the stress caused by living with another male. Now, these species happily live together, provided there is a few of them to evenly "distribute" the dominance amongst each other. Unfortunately, because there is only two of them, the bully has only one victim!

To solve this, I have thrown in some mirrors in the cage, hopefully getting the bully to bully himself ;) In the meantime, I'm on the search for some cheap 2ft vivariums...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,367 Posts
Interesting. I still think it may be a good idea to make a new thread to reach out to earless dragon owners. I suppose it's a good thing that the vet gave her a clean bill of health, was it a specialist herp vet?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,039 Posts
To me this sounds like dominant/submissive behaviour.
the supposed male mounting and biting doesn't mean just mating it it can also be dominance.
the supposed female not moving, not opening her eyes or eating is classic submissive (i don't move i want to be invisible) to other dragons because if she moves she will be attacked.
the only time she has perked up is when she is away from the threat (your other dragon)
have they just reach sexual maturity or something?
my suggestion is you seperate them asap.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
183 Posts
Discussion Starter · #11 ·
That is exactly what the breeder suggested. Unfortunately, due to money, I cant get another Viv for atleast a few weeks... Any way I can minimise this before until then?

They will be nearing 6months old now. If not a bit older - the apparent age they mature.

Not necessarily a herp specialist, but a nurse with 16 years experience dealing with lizards. Charged me nothing ;)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,367 Posts
If you can't afford a viv for now have you considered a rub for the meantime? A fraction of the price and as long as you can supply it with heat and uv it will do for now. Perhaps move the male as not to stress the female any further.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
183 Posts
Discussion Starter · #13 ·
If you can't afford a viv for now have you considered a rub for the meantime? A fraction of the price and as long as you can supply it with heat and uv it will do for now. Perhaps move the male as not to stress the female any further.
A rub?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,367 Posts
Really useful box. They're plastic containers basically, you can get them in rather large sizes. A lot of breeders use them for snakes and smaller lizards, not normally with a light source mind. There's no reason why you couldn't modify a box to have a uv tube and heat source in there. I used to use a RUB for my locusts with a heat bulb and all. You don't need high temps so it will be doable with a little common sense.

Edit, here's a pic of my old locust RUB.

 

·
Registered
Joined
·
183 Posts
Discussion Starter · #15 ·
Really useful box. They're plastic containers basically, you can get them in rather large sizes. A lot of breeders use them for snakes and smaller lizards. There's no reason why you couldn't modify a box to have a uv tube and heat source in there. I used to use a RUB for my locusts with a heat bulb and all. You don't need high temps so it will be doable with a little common sense.
Sounds doable ! ;) The thermostat and uvb bulb cant be scrimped on though... Will have to see what I can do! ;)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,367 Posts
It really wouldn't be pretty or a permanent fix but definitely better than keeping her how she is currently. Like I said keep her in the viv as not to stress her more and put the male in the RUB. Give the viv a good disinfecting to try and remove the males smell. Remember to put the decor back the same so it all appears as it was before, just minus the male!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
183 Posts
Discussion Starter · #17 ·
It really wouldn't be pretty or a permanent fix but definitely better than keeping her how she is currently. Like I said keep her in the viv as not to stress her more and put the male in the RUB. Give the viv a good disinfecting to try and remove the males smell. Remember to put the decor back the same so it all appears as it was before, just minus the male!
Will do! ;) Thank you :)
 
1 - 20 of 68 Posts
Top