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this is something iv been considering cause since my first darts morphed into little frogs iv loved watching them hop around but i only have the 1 viv for youngsters & 1 viv for future adults, all mixed vivs.
i currently have 3 baby tincts hoping around and living with 5 hatchling crested geckos, all get on very well.
the future adult viv has 4-5 adult crested geckos & 2 crocodile skinks, so obviously the adults would have to be large to avoid predation.
all my mixed species inhabit different parts of the viv be it nocturnal terrestrial (croc skink) or nocturnal arboreal (cresties) to diurnal semi -arboreal (PDF)

now through my research, it seems that most of the larger dendrobate species can be aggressive with others, so as they will be with dendrobate tinctorius i figured that wouldn't be good idea to mix them.
so either Epipedobates or Pyllobates to avoid cross breeding as well.
from them 2 species i have chosen ones i like and are large enough, plus note the possible disadvantages be it general or with mixing;
E. trivittatus- possibly needs a slightly too high humidity
P. aurotaenia- worry that it might oveheat during summer cause its sposed to be more sensitiveto that
P. bicolor
P. vittatus
 

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"i currently have 3 baby tincts hoping around and living with 5 hatchling crested geckos, all get on very well"

Is this a joke? How do you match their humidity requirements? A dart is perfect food size for a crestie.
 

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Unless you are an expert and have got a viv 90x45x60 I would not recommend mixing species of dart frogs. I would definately not mix with cresties or skinks under any circumstances. There are a couple of geckos that mix but they are tiny, live under the same conditions and take the same food. Put your hand in your pocket and give them the right environment before one of them dies.
 

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Morgan Freeman= im not joking, i have done my research, and trialed it under close supervision for the first fortnight with no problems.
the humidity is kept high with a soaking substrate sprayed twice daily but has ventilation midway up the viv to prevent to high a humidity in the mid to top levels of the viv (where the cresties live)
about predation from the cresties, read the statement you pointed to, i said hatchling cresties, even as babies the tincts are 2/3 the size of the cresties.

fatlad69= the baby viv is 60w*60h*45d, the adult viv will be 90w*90h*45d. both vivs are well planted with lots of cover & uv. both cresties & PDF's, according to my research, have very similiar to the same environments, so long as they have regular misting with plenty of ventilation they will stay balanced to avoid infections from dehydration or fungal. and they all eat crickets, livefoods with the only difference being the cresties also have some fruit now and then. a 2in PDF is safe with adult cresties but any smaller wouldn't be
 

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about predation from the cresties, read the statement you pointed to, i said hatchling cresties, even as babies the tincts are 2/3 the size of the cresties.
Ah, I read baby Tincs and assumed they'd be much smaller.

I'm still not overly confident about the mix, they're both from completely different continents and environments. Can you post pictures of your set up? I can't see how you'd reach constant 85+ humidity down low and 60-70 in the mid section.

What if the frogs climb or the cresties decide to spend time on the floor?

What about diseases and parasites?
 

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and they all eat crickets, livefoods with the only difference being the cresties also have some fruit now and then. a 2in PDF is safe with adult cresties but any smaller wouldn't be[/QUOTE

Wrong! They don't eat the same food. It is like saying a beardie eats the same as a PDF. Dart frogs on the whole live on tiny insects such springtails, woodlice, fruit flies and micro crickets. The crickets that you would feed an adult crestie could hurt or even kill a Dartfrog. I have kept and bred dartfrogs for many years and know several other experienced breeders and I have never seen or heard about keeping them with cresties.
 

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Crested Geckos & Dart Frogs - Dendroboard

This is a must read.

"Contrary to what you might think, they are prone to respritory issues associated with too much humidity, and are commonly kept with 100% screen tops.

I am familiar with cresteds, and so I know that cresteds can strike at any moving object without a reason. I have seen a large specimen eat a pinkie, it was well fed too. But given the chance, a crested gecko will attack anything, even something larger than itself.

Crested geckos are unlikely to respond to warning patterns of dart frogs because they are primarily nocturnal and are not known for their vision. However, as those of us who have kept them know, they can be active at all hours of the day.

When you try to meet each animals needs half way, you will mostly likely end up with a half dead animal. Mixing the two species is a recipe for a sick crested and eaten or bitten frogs"
 

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I have pondered the same question if it is possible to mix geckos and frogs - not so much my cresties as they are HUGE compared to my pdfs - but with my Lygodactylus Williamsi. I thought if I used a 3ftx2ftx4ft I could mix my geckos with a ground dwelling pdf as the height of the tank will give my enough space to give me a 90% humidity at ground lvl and 70-80% for the top lvl.
I have not done this yet as there are way too many variables that could go wrong and have not read a totally reliable source to say that it is safe to mix the two........so I would be interested in what others here have tried or think as well.
 

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My Lygodactylus Williamsi are happy with fruit flies and small crickets (1st instar)
with a lil bit of mashed tropical fruit......have not tried new born cockroaches as that is the only thing I do have a phobia about!
 

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I suppose the point is that most pdfs you should not mix - once had a Ranitomeya imitator murder my Phyllobates vittatus while in the quarantine viv.
Also always told not to mix the same species but different morphs as they can cross breed.......so maybe its possible to mix geckos and pdf........think it would look really nice........and a challenging project........but I would not do it unless I knew it was safe to do so....once bitten.........
 

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Bearnandos= my first non-instantly-dismissive answer, thanks
mixing PDF's is just an idea that im thoroughly researching before i take the leap and is considered a possibility as, although their have been negative accounts of this, there have also been positive.
lygo's are pretty similiar to crestie care and as being smaller would be less of a risk than what im attempting.

ipreferaflan= the point is, my ambition in life is small but high reaching and that is to create an entirely live rainforest eco system in the uk. to mix mammal, invertebrate, amphibian and reptile species together with a whole building hopefully the size of a warehouse (as i said, high reaching) to live in. they wouldn't be from the same continents but would all have similiar habitats in nature, rainforests with uv, a low temp basking spot.
to have any chance of creating this i need to start small, explore the boundaries of animal keeping in safe contained easily managed environments.

Morgan Freeman= i read both threads and agree in part to the potential risks, possibly not safe to put them with adult crestie's. i dont agree with putting them with phelsuma's cause day geckos need basking spots which could easily overheat a PDF and kill it if it ventures to close.
all my geckos have been well socialised and as such are used to sharing a viv with others and dont attack just anything thats moving, they only show interest in crickets.
i acknowledge the problem of large livefood injuring the PDF's (another possible reason to not put them in with adult cresties), i made a mistake in my comment about that, my PDF's are currently on springtails and the baby crestie's on small crickets with only a small amount put in at a go, they all get eating up in the night and there are never any left in the morning when the frogs come out but they are at a size that the frogs could attempt if they felt greedy enough.
the viv has intermitant airflow from a fan high up, this provides plenty of fresh air for the cresties but it does dry out the floor areas quicker, as such i spray the floor area enough for it to be wet without being sodden whenever it does dry out but i do plan to put in a fogging/ sprinkler system. as the floor is pretty much continiously wet or damp this provides the moisture the frogs need (plus a small water bowl with 5mm of water in at most for a drink), the few times the crestie's come to the floor is not significant enough to affect their health as they dont spend long there, its like if the walk through their water bowl, this won't give them a fungal infection, so long as their airflow their healthy.
might i mention, frogs and crestie's are alot sturdier than alot of people think. they manage to survive fine out in the wild

p.s. im not intending to breed the PDF's at this moment but if/when they do, yay!
 

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It is clear that although you started this thread asking for advice you are only going to accept it if it agrees with you. Morgan has taken time to find information from another forum but you have still dismissed the advice. If you search the Internet long enough you are going to find someone who agrees with you. Well good luck with you venture I just hope no animals suffer as a result.
 

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It is clear that although you started this thread asking for advice you are only going to accept it if it agrees with you. Morgan has taken time to find information from another forum but you have still dismissed the advice. If you search the Internet long enough you are going to find someone who agrees with you. Well good luck with you venture I just hope no animals suffer as a result.
I couldn't agree more with this.
 

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It is clear that although you started this thread asking for advice you are only going to accept it if it agrees with you. Morgan has taken time to find information from another forum but you have still dismissed the advice. If you search the Internet long enough you are going to find someone who agrees with you. Well good luck with you venture I just hope no animals suffer as a result.
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