Reptile Forums banner
1 - 7 of 7 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
3 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Hi there,

I've had a little Leopard Geckos breeding for years, so i've seen things. But today, i'm being puzzled. Perhaps the ambiant stress makes everything & everybody crazy? I've been using essential oils for a while. I now have, for few months, some basic diffusers. Before that, i just used to drop some in a basin with hot water. There're just some to avoid, and i did. Never noticed reactions for the Geckos. And seeing online results, it seems to be the case for everybody. Until today maybe? I think this is an interesting case.

Here's my current issue: In the end or february or so, i sent my Geckos out of hibernation by slowly restarting the heating, as usual. The issue is that ADULT FEMALE WON'T EAT, AT ALL! They can take some time to restart when spring comes.. But now it's getting strangely long : Even after laying eggs, no eating! Even that one which layed TWO TIMES already didn't eat much more than 2-3crickets over more than a month..! Wasn't a problem at first since she was obese, loosing weight wasn't a bad thing at all..

It is now getting worrysome, especially after i noticed the others are taking the same path..! I was too absorbed by the current world issue we all experience at the time i'm afraid, so i didn't see that earlier.. After thoroughly thinking about what could've happened, i'm quite conviced this is related to e.oils, in particular one that i've tried to diffuse recently (just twice) "spikenard" which is very much*estrogen-like it appears.

Meaning it could have created somekind of hormonal imbalance as well as mood changes (?); That's perhaps why my main male became violent, and almost killed a female (that one being obese; her wound healed well though); i couldn't find much about e.oils & reptiles, mostly people wondering about it, no studies.. Or perhaps i missed something? I'm not even a native english speaker first.

Any research help is welcomed here. Over the course of years, i've found techniques to make my laziest geckos eat zoophobas worms by hand : some of them, which always accepted that, now ferociously refuse it. I tried to grind their live food, mixing it with water, calcium & vitamins, but it's not thin enough : they will only lick liquid, and even that is not always easy.

I have put males in a different room and the most worrisome females alone, but so far, no change. That's the last thing i thought about. I'm afraid i've tried everything i could, i'm out of ideas and feel hopeless? Would it be that Covid19..? No seriously..? I'm lost here. Sure i could bring some (not all!) to the (only) vet taking reptiles here -which is not a specialist- but :

1/ this'd not only be stressful but dangerous as well (even for me, i don't have the right protection to go out) cause of current outbreak situation and 2/ labs are closed! meaning analysis cannot be done at this moment, if any..! Please give me ideas. Looks like time's running out. Just take note : I'm not from the UK. This just seems to be the biggest & most active reptile forum so far. Links for others are welcomed in case.

Thanks!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
512 Posts
Hi there,

I've had a little Leopard Geckos breeding for years, so i've seen things. But today, i'm being puzzled. Perhaps the ambiant stress makes everything & everybody crazy? I've been using essential oils for a while. I now have, for few months, some basic diffusers. Before that, i just used to drop some in a basin with hot water. There're just some to avoid, and i did. Never noticed reactions for the Geckos. And seeing online results, it seems to be the case for everybody. Until today maybe? I think this is an interesting case.

Here's my current issue: In the end or february or so, i sent my Geckos out of hibernation by slowly restarting the heating, as usual. The issue is that ADULT FEMALE WON'T EAT, AT ALL! They can take some time to restart when spring comes.. But now it's getting strangely long : Even after laying eggs, no eating! Even that one which layed TWO TIMES already didn't eat much more than 2-3crickets over more than a month..! Wasn't a problem at first since she was obese, loosing weight wasn't a bad thing at all..

It is now getting worrysome, especially after i noticed the others are taking the same path..! I was too absorbed by the current world issue we all experience at the time i'm afraid, so i didn't see that earlier.. After thoroughly thinking about what could've happened, i'm quite conviced this is related to e.oils, in particular one that i've tried to diffuse recently (just twice) "spikenard" which is very much*estrogen-like it appears.

Meaning it could have created somekind of hormonal imbalance as well as mood changes (?); That's perhaps why my main male became violent, and almost killed a female (that one being obese; her wound healed well though); i couldn't find much about e.oils & reptiles, mostly people wondering about it, no studies.. Or perhaps i missed something? I'm not even a native english speaker first.

Any research help is welcomed here. Over the course of years, i've found techniques to make my laziest geckos eat zoophobas worms by hand : some of them, which always accepted that, now ferociously refuse it. I tried to grind their live food, mixing it with water, calcium & vitamins, but it's not thin enough : they will only lick liquid, and even that is not always easy.

I have put males in a different room and the most worrisome females alone, but so far, no change. That's the last thing i thought about. I'm afraid i've tried everything i could, i'm out of ideas and feel hopeless? Would it be that Covid19..? No seriously..? I'm lost here. Sure i could bring some (not all!) to the (only) vet taking reptiles here -which is not a specialist- but :

1/ this'd not only be stressful but dangerous as well (even for me, i don't have the right protection to go out) cause of current outbreak situation and 2/ labs are closed! meaning analysis cannot be done at this moment, if any..! Please give me ideas. Looks like time's running out. Just take note : I'm not from the UK. This just seems to be the biggest & most active reptile forum so far. Links for others are welcomed in case.

Thanks!
First of all, just want to say this is a lot to deconstruct and if I miss anything feel free to bring it up or you want anything clarifying that is fine. Also what is your location? While you say you aren't in the UK, there still might be labs open in your location and vets may be able to pass on samples for you.

Ignoring the essential oils part for now, why are you hibernating leopard geckos? In terms of their natural behaviour this shouldn't be happening and heating should be provided all the time, unless you mean brumation where their body processes will slow down and activity will reduce, but heat should still be provided.

To provide more help we need to know how you are looking after the geckos, as the majority of times it can be associated with environmental conditions. So if you can provide the followings bits of information it would help greatly;
-Vivarium details, dimensions and what it is made of.
-Location of vivarium, i.e. is it in an area of a lot of people traffic or is kept out of the way?
-How is the vivarium heated? What is the heating elements for the enclosure.
-What are the basking temperature (surface temperature) and ambient temperature of the cold end. Also how are these being measured.
-Is there any UV-B lighting?
-What are the main food choices for them? Are you using any vitamin supplements, if so which ones?
-Any major medical issues in the past?


Honestly, while there isn't much research on essential oil effects on reptiles (or many animals), what is the reasoning for using them? Generally speaking you want to avoid anything that can be considered to harsh of smell, and by that means anything isn't a neutral smell. Also some essential oils do have negative impacts on insects and if the livefood comes into contact with it and then gets eaten, we can only assume it isn't the best for the lizards. So I would suggest for now, stop using the oils.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3 Posts
Discussion Starter · #3 ·
Hi and thanks for replying. I'm not sure you read thoroughly my post though? Seeing two of your questions (i will add * to them) which i'll answer now :

*-While you say you aren't in the UK, there still might be labs open in your location and vets may be able to pass on samples for you.*
It is the vet himself that gave the information about closed labs!

-Ignoring the essential oils part for now, why are you hibernating leopard geckos? In terms of their natural behaviour this shouldn't be happening [...] unless you mean brumation
Well, i think you're right here, it is brumation. Heating is progressively stopped and then progressively restarted, springtime.

*-Vivarium details, dimensions and what it is made of.*
As said, i have a little breeding. So there is much more than one enclosure. The dimensions vary, but it's neither too large, neither too small, in case that's what you wonder.

-Location of vivarium, i.e. is it in an area of a lot of people traffic or is kept out of the way?
It's in my room, so not any traffic and very quiet.

-How is the vivarium heated? What is the heating elements for the enclosure.
Obviously they all have heating, provided by heating mats under enclosures.

-What are the basking temperature (surface temperature) and ambient temperature of the cold end. Also how are these being measured.
Should be 32-34C° and ambiant for cold side which is about 22C° now.

-Is there any UV-B lighting?
No there isn't and shouldn't be!

-What are the main food choices for them? Are you using any vitamin supplements, if so which ones?
ALL INSECTS. And frozen baby mice. I offer them every available sort when young and they build their preferences. Calcium available but they tend to not take enough so i mix it with vitamin and water then get them to lick.

-Any major medical issues in the past?
I don't have anything to report i think?

-Honestly, while there isn't much research on essential oil effects on reptiles (or many animals), what is the reasoning for using them?
I use them for myself, checking which not to use near them though. I stopped for now.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,579 Posts
Hi and thanks for replying. I'm not sure you read thoroughly my post though? Seeing two of your questions (i will add * to them) which i'll answer now :

*-While you say you aren't in the UK, there still might be labs open in your location and vets may be able to pass on samples for you.*
It is the vet himself that gave the information about closed labs!

-Ignoring the essential oils part for now, why are you hibernating leopard geckos? In terms of their natural behaviour this shouldn't be happening [...] unless you mean brumation
Well, i think you're right here, it is brumation. Heating is progressively stopped and then progressively restarted, springtime.

*-Vivarium details, dimensions and what it is made of.*
As said, i have a little breeding. So there is much more than one enclosure. The dimensions vary, but it's neither too large, neither too small, in case that's what you wonder.

-Location of vivarium, i.e. is it in an area of a lot of people traffic or is kept out of the way?
It's in my room, so not any traffic and very quiet.

-How is the vivarium heated? What is the heating elements for the enclosure.
Obviously they all have heating, provided by heating mats under enclosures.

-What are the basking temperature (surface temperature) and ambient temperature of the cold end. Also how are these being measured.
Should be 32-34C° and ambiant for cold side which is about 22C° now.

-Is there any UV-B lighting?
No there isn't and shouldn't be!

-What are the main food choices for them? Are you using any vitamin supplements, if so which ones?
ALL INSECTS. And frozen baby mice. I offer them every available sort when young and they build their preferences. Calcium available but they tend to not take enough so i mix it with vitamin and water then get them to lick.

-Any major medical issues in the past?
I don't have anything to report i think?

-Honestly, while there isn't much research on essential oil effects on reptiles (or many animals), what is the reasoning for using them?
I use them for myself, checking which not to use near them though. I stopped for now.
Hi, UVB exposure IS beneficial to Leopard geckos, they are known to bask in early morning sunlight in the wild. You should provide a UVB emitting bulb/tube, a 2-00 % UVB would be acceptable.
Heat mats are NOT what`s best as far as offering a basking site.
It would be helpful if you gave the actual sizes of the enclosures rather than just saying "they are not too big or small"? The reason being we may be able to offer advise on wattages of the heat bulbs.
When you say they tend not to take enough calcium themselves, how do you know that, have you had tests done?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
33,281 Posts
Hi and thanks for replying. I'm not sure you read thoroughly my post though? Seeing two of your questions (i will add * to them) which i'll answer now :

*-While you say you aren't in the UK, there still might be labs open in your location and vets may be able to pass on samples for you.*
It is the vet himself that gave the information about closed labs!

-Ignoring the essential oils part for now, why are you hibernating leopard geckos? In terms of their natural behaviour this shouldn't be happening [...] unless you mean brumation
Well, i think you're right here, it is brumation. Heating is progressively stopped and then progressively restarted, springtime.
It's unnecessary to brumate leos.


*-Vivarium details, dimensions and what it is made of.*
As said, i have a little breeding. So there is much more than one enclosure. The dimensions vary, but it's neither too large, neither too small, in case that's what you wonder.

-Location of vivarium, i.e. is it in an area of a lot of people traffic or is kept out of the way?
It's in my room, so not any traffic and very quiet.

-How is the vivarium heated? What is the heating elements for the enclosure.
Obviously they all have heating, provided by heating mats under enclosures.
Leos should be heated via a basking lamp, turned off overnight- they like it cold at night.


-What are the basking temperature (surface temperature) and ambient temperature of the cold end. Also how are these being measured.
Should be 32-34C° and ambiant for cold side which is about 22C° now.
Basking spot should be 35c.


-Is there any UV-B lighting?
No there isn't and shouldn't be!
Yes there should- a reptile UV tube.


-What are the main food choices for them? Are you using any vitamin supplements, if so which ones?
ALL INSECTS. And frozen baby mice. I offer them every available sort when young and they build their preferences. Calcium available but they tend to not take enough so i mix it with vitamin and water then get them to lick.

-Any major medical issues in the past?
I don't have anything to report i think?

-Honestly, while there isn't much research on essential oil effects on reptiles (or many animals), what is the reasoning for using them?
I use them for myself, checking which not to use near them though. I stopped for now.
Above in red. Also, what is your set up like? Decor, substrate etc?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3 Posts
Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Looks like recommendations vary from country to country. "Basking spot should be 35c" so if it's 32-34C° it's terrible? Come on. I'm telling you i've had them for years, you think that cause of a C° of few centimeters area they're going to stop eating, suddenly? No offense but you aren't helping me.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
33,281 Posts
Looks like recommendations vary from country to country. "Basking spot should be 35c" so if it's 32-34C° it's terrible? Come on. I'm telling you i've had them for years, you think that cause of a C° of few centimeters area they're going to stop eating, suddenly? No offense but you aren't helping me.
Because the heat should come from above as well as below- a basking lamp will heat the basking area AND heat the leo from above.
 
1 - 7 of 7 Posts
Top