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Has anyone had good experiences with these?

Also what species are avaliable in the UK? I have seen a few about in shops, most likely WC but I have no idea what species they may be.

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we have not got any but keeping an eye on this thread as we are also intersted.

we have read they love ants to eat and to feed the ants stinging nettles to make them more acidic

at least im sure thats what i read lol
 

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Hope this site helps, got drop down menu's permanently showing on my system for some reason.

I've had them in the past but both died turned out they were 2 males so stress and territory issues saw them stop eating in the end. We can't import the ants necessary, believe me I asked DEFRA and alsorts could get a supply from the states no problem. Some folk have managed to keep them successfully on crickets in the states whereby they bred them too.

I'd love to give them another go at some point in the future.
 

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we have not got any but keeping an eye on this thread as we are also intersted.

we have read they love ants to eat and to feed the ants stinging nettles to make them more acidic

at least im sure thats what i read lol
Yep I read that also but it would be good hear from people with experience...

Anyone? I know these are quite rare and tricky but surely someone has some experiences, good or bad.
 

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Hope this site helps, got drop down menu's permanently showing on my system for some reason.

I've had them in the past but both died turned out they were 2 males so stress and territory issues saw them stop eating in the end. We can't import the ants necessary, believe me I asked DEFRA and alsorts could get a supply from the states no problem. Some folk have managed to keep them successfully on crickets in the states whereby they bred them too.

I'd love to give them another go at some point in the future.
Hi, sorry I missed your post earlier.

I have been on that site all evening among others and its very useful. There are still many loose ends though concerning primarily the supply of ants here in the UK. It does say some European ants can be used but does not say what species. All literature seems to be geared up to those keeping in the US.

What did you feed yours before they died?

Anyone else had bad experiences? I dont think many will knock you for saying so as from what I gather these are very specialised, diet seeming to be the keystone.

Would love to hear from someone who has cracked it.

I have heard (from someone I knew whos died) that feeding pin heads on citric fruit peel is supposed to work...? Any truth in this? I suspect not as formic acid is not present in citrus (citrus acid is), but who knows?
 

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i've just caught them... they eat ants... there are many different ones from different habitats...

i was in the high desert... the mojave right by joshua tree california... i caught a fair few when i lived there.

i could only talk about field observations...

...did i mention that they eat ants?:lol2:
 

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i've just caught them... they eat ants... there are many different ones from different habitats...

i was in the high desert... the mojave right by joshua tree california... i caught a fair few when i lived there.

i could only talk about field observations...

...did i mention that they eat ants?:lol2:
I have read they can be kept well outdoors in parts of the US, you should look into this. Then, I can send you batches of our native ants to trial on the fussy f*ckers!

Joke - Ants can be bad :lol2:
 

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I have read they can be kept well outdoors in parts of the US, you should look into this. Then, I can send you batches of our native ants to trial on the fussy f*ckers!

Joke - Ants can be bad :lol2:
they just gotta be cooked to feel right... most species... especially the low and high desert forms...

they come out during the very hottest time of day...

they don't do much except park it by an ant hole.... they don't have anthills there where they live... just holes.... they just sit next to a good spot for ant traffic and nab them as they walk by... mostly ants but other bugs might wonder by... there is nothing to them... they aren't fat or heavy... very flat and lightweight...

... very hard to see and will just freeze when they sense danger... i must have walked by 10,000 of them... they blend in so well.

the species where i was were used to heay and no humidity... classic desert... they are simple... chuckwallas and desert iguanas are all pals out there in the mojave... they like the exact same conditions.. and are active at the same time... you always find these three species together... so one can extrapolate some knowlege from chucks and desert iggy's...


they are very tortoise-like in many ways... they are tough but uncompromising... i believe horned lizards can tolerate harsher conditions than even desert iguanas and chuckwallas...

basking is their life..:lol2:
 

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they just gotta be cooked to feel right... most species... especially the low and high desert forms...

they come out during the very hottest time of day...

they don't do much except park it by an ant hole.... they don't have anthills there where they live... just holes.... they just sit next to a good spot for ant traffic and nab them as they walk by... mostly ants but other bugs might wonder by... there is nothing to them... they aren't fat or heavy... very flat and lightweight...

... very hard to see and will just freeze when they sense danger... i must have walked by 10,000 of them... they blend in so well.

the species where i was were used to heay and no humidity... classic desert... they are simple... chuckwallas and desert iguanas are all pals out there in the mojave... they like the exact same conditions.. and are active at the same time... you always find these three species together... so one can extrapolate some knowlege from chucks and desert iggy's...


they are very tortoise-like in many ways... they are tough but uncompromising... i believe horned lizards can tolerate harsher conditions than even desert iguanas and chuckwallas...

basking is their life..:lol2:
Thanks.

They seem hardy from what I have read but the food seems problematic. Ive just read of pin heads being fed on nettles but then read that this is not so good for long-term health. Hmm the saga continues :).
 

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Thanks.

They seem hardy from what I have read but the food seems problematic. Ive just read of pin heads being fed on nettles but then read that this is not so good for long-term health. Hmm the saga continues :).

set up an ant colony... buy some lizards... tinker with them till you get it right... that's the hobby... plus you'll corner the market on feeder ants...
 

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set up an ant colony... buy some lizards... tinker with them till you get it right... that's the hobby... plus you'll corner the market on feeder ants...
Aye I was thinking of doing that. Not enterprising but getting a colony of interesting workable ants then getting some lizards. Would just be a case of trying tried methods against some newfangled ones of my own.

Anyone fiddled with the diet of these fussy buggers? Or do you all use the nettles + pinheads diet? Or other?.............. Throw me a bone!! :lol2:
 

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When I had them a few yrs back the only ants defra would allow me to bring in to set up a colony for them were leaf eaters. Found a place in Germany where I could buy ants for a colony but very expensive.

I fed them on 1's crickets as they'd had in the shop for 4 mths but like I say the stress of being 2 males together - were sold as a pair, did for them both eventually.

Kingsnake.com - Herpforum  > Lizard Forums > Horned Lizards

Think these guys might be able to help you more
 

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Just a quick note, some specimens will take micro crickets but some will refuse anything but ants. Also bear in mind the numbers of ants these lizards eat per day eat in the wild, far more than a home ant farm would produce.
 

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I have a trio of CB Platyrhinos, they do eat size 2 crickets, but much prefer ants... Messor barbarus are the most commonly available harvester ants in the UK!

Mine had been fed crickets gutloaded with nettles when I got them and whilst they'd obviously eaten them, 2 of them were quite thin and subdued, spending most of their time buried in the sand - since adding ants to the diet they've filled out and are much more lively, only burying themselves when the lights go off!!
 

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When I had them a few yrs back the only ants defra would allow me to bring in to set up a colony for them were leaf eaters. Found a place in Germany where I could buy ants for a colony but very expensive.

I fed them on 1's crickets as they'd had in the shop for 4 mths but like I say the stress of being 2 males together - were sold as a pair, did for them both eventually.

Kingsnake.com - Herpforum* > Lizard Forums > Horned Lizards

Think these guys might be able to help you more
I would love some leaf cutters and their colonies are notoriously massive, however i dont know if they would be very good as feeders. I will look into this. :)

Just a quick note, some specimens will take micro crickets but some will refuse anything but ants. Also bear in mind the numbers of ants these lizards eat per day eat in the wild, far more than a home ant farm would produce.
Do you mean individuals within a given species? I would aim to only offer other insects as supplementation and ants for about 80% of any individuals diet anyway. Also some ant colonies can get massive, its just finding a species that also provides formic acid.

I have a trio of CB Platyrhinos, they do eat size 2 crickets, but much prefer ants... Messor barbarus are the most commonly available harvester ants in the UK!

Mine had been fed crickets gutloaded with nettles when I got them and whilst they'd obviously eaten them, 2 of them were quite thin and subdued, spending most of their time buried in the sand - since adding ants to the diet they've filled out and are much more lively, only burying themselves when the lights go off!!
I have my worries about this nettle + pinhead diet and your statement strengthens them. I have read of many lasting a good few months even years like on such diets but non have survived what I would call long-term, from what I have read that is.

Do you have colonies of feeder ants then? Could you talk me through how you started with them or just put up the relevant links please? Much appreciated :).
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Thanks for all your replies so far everyone! Keep them coming!!
 

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Sry to interupt, but i watched a program on these little beauts the otha day and they have a special defence mechanism that allows them to squirt blood from there eyes, I cudnt believe it until i saw it for myself, absolutly fascinating!! Although tho do need to be pushed to the point of were they think they are going to die before they use this method there 1st defence is camo then if that fails they flatten themselves across the floor so its harder 4 them to be eaten!! Sry i know u were talkin about the diet of these fascinating creatures but thought i wud share this with you!
 
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