This is a very good question, and one I would like to know the answer to.
I asked Paul at UK pythons what he thinks he'd sell any future hypo bredli at, he didn't give much away though. Just said he doesn't know, as he has never sold them before.
Surely, these big breeders do have to speak among themselves, it has to be in their best interest. If they didn't, prices would fall too quickly.
To be honest though, I have no idea. I do know though, if I were a big breeder, I would like to be in contact with other breeders. I think it would be mutually beneficial.
Prices are usually set based on demand and rarity and quality - nothing else I would imagine - Having said that if someone breeds say a moonglow boa worth 1k-1.5k and some other bloke breeds them and sells them for 500£ - Hes not gonna make many friends with other breeders of them. BUT. most breeders say there not in it for the money so who gives a shit?
But any decent breeder who knows they will have 'Flavour of the month'
really should keep it very quiet
Too many release them far too early and getting BIG bucks for a short time
If I had something very special exactly zero people would know for at least 2 years and probably 3 years plus
Then I would sell only hatchling females for the first year
That then gives me the entire market for a further 2 years
Before anyone else had bred the hatchies I had sold for an exorbitant amount, I would hit the market VERY hard with about 200+ hatchies plus sub adults
By them my next morph developed from these ones would be ready to hit the market too
So discussing too much especially with other breeders is most definitely a losing scenario in many cases
I don't breed anything (apart from humans, and that was more of an experiment many years ago :gasp
But to be honest, I don't see a problem with breeders fixing prices between themselves.
With all but the absolute top kiddies making little or no money from breeding snakes in the long run, why shouldn't they get maximum returns for their efforts?
I would guess that it takes years, and £000's to build up their experience/stock/gene pool, not to mention reputation. How much did it cost them in the run up?
If you can buy snake "X" for £30, then why anyone in their right mind would pay thousands of pounds just to say that they have one in a different colour is completely beyond me :whistling2:
But, each to their own :2thumb:
like any business I assume that breeders will set their prices for regular morphs by assessing the competition and the market place. No one is going to put hypo blah di blah up for £1000 if their competition has them advertised for £750 otr £1500. They dont want to price themselves out of the market and they dont want to lose profit.
If it is a brand new combination/morph, well they will have been working towards it for several years and planning how to get what they want. They will also have a fairly strong idea of that they want/need to price it at in order to make the right selection.
I dont think that they do agree a market value - I guess when breeders are mates they may chat about it, but I dont think there is a secret inner circle with a catalogue and a pricing gun
You have to realise as well that breeders, well good ones, also have to protect their customers. If you have a customer that shells out 5,000 - 10,000 on high end morphs, and the following year you slash your prices, you aren't going to have high end customers for very long.
Some people on here seem mainly concerned with how to get their hands on something very expensive for a knock down price....just think about that for a minute....
Polygenic will be worth more at the start due to the amount of work put in to get to a "desirable" point. Hypo bredlis and stripes... They only hold they're value for a short time as you get a pair showing the desired polygenic trait and you can keep churning them out (as well as anybody that has pairs of them)
Recessive hold a bit better usually take a few years to drop as you create recessive morphs to start with and these usually get released first at about half the price of a full recessive animal (het albinos)
Co-doms... well we know what happened there when you can just get any co-dom and produce visual hets.
All of these are observations from the market over here.
Usually the first one to release the morphs sets the market price and others will then go within 10% less of that for the following releases after a couple of years.
The number of breeders that have the morph will force the price to drop due to competitions amongst themselves to sell them.
5 breeders now 5k a snake
10 breeders a couple of years later and 2 of them sell for 4k a snake
15 breeders later and the price drops again.
The more the breeders the less control they have on the market price and it becomes a competition.
Not sure about keeping in touch with each other especially since many are in different countries, and with the amount of money involved, current economic crisis and backstabbing going on I doubt they would be foolish enough to email each other due to hacking (could be crazy talk, stranger things do and have happened). But if I was lucky enough to have a snake that not many other had, it would make sense to keep the prices the same as the others... unless you really wanted to piss off someone due to whatever reasons?
But yeah, why crash the market? Oh yeah, competition and the muppets that go hand in hand with the snake business.
Make wise moves I say. Be careful who you sell your snakes to.. whoever is in such a lucky position that is.
In Aus most of the new carpet morphs and top of the line things like striped
jungles, paradox albinos etc etc were first produced by hobby breeders
Some of those breeders only have a few pairs but continually improve their releases
SXR produces some awesome beasties but within 3 years of release every man and his dog has them
GTPs have always been produced mainly by hobby breeders there
Price of jags drops nearly on a daily basis
When they were first smuggled into Aus they were worth a fortune
But as pure carpets that are free of the jag gene improve all the time
the jags are proving to be a pretty sad investment
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