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The FBH and the Pet Food Manufacturers Association are carrying out a survey into the reptile and amphibian hobby to try to gauge the current position of the hobby. If you were at Doncaster last weekend you will probably have seen the leaflets being given around. Please spend the ten minutes it takes to fill out this survey. It's completely anonymous.
 

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Not quite sure why you need to know the type of job I do, the county I live in, or my age range.
The question re where I had heard about this survey missed a crucial option - online specialist forum.
Anyhow, I've completed it.
 

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Not quite sure why you need to know the type of job I do, the county I live in, or my age range.
The question re where I had heard about this survey missed a crucial option - online specialist forum.
Anyhow, I've completed it.
I agree... I can not see what relevance the demographic section has. But the survey was completed, even though that section was completed with false information
 

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Also, whilst its trying to gauge the amount of captive bred reptiles are kept and their length of captivity, it could have broken that down further where more than one animal is kept. For example having asked how many snakes / lizards etc are owned, and then asked the age of the oldest animal, it could have asked for the breakdown of the total in age groups. For example, I have 9 snakes 0-1 years, 5 that are 1-3 years, 1 that is 3-5 years, 2 between 5 - 10 years, and 2 that are 10 - 15 years. But the oldest snake I had lived to 22. - all captive bred
 

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Also, whilst its trying to gauge the amount of captive bred reptiles are kept and their length of captivity, it could have broken that down further where more than one animal is kept. For example having asked how many snakes / lizards etc are owned, and then asked the age of the oldest animal, it could have asked for the breakdown of the total in age groups. For example, I have 9 snakes 0-1 years, 5 that are 1-3 years, 1 that is 3-5 years, 2 between 5 - 10 years, and 2 that are 10 - 15 years. But the oldest snake I had lived to 22. - all captive bred
Gosh, you're never happy - your poor wife!!!!!!!
 

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Ouch.... Since when does constructive comments deserve an attack - would have though better of a "super moderator" !!
Hardly an attack. You've pointed out numerous times all the student questionnaires that request your email details amongst other things stating they are not anonymous and then one is posted that is (although you can enter the information if you want to enter a draw), and that has faults too!
 

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I did fill it out... I just cringed at the job question. I still am looking for a job to spoil Sushi. So hard to get one :/

Plus, I hardly see any point to be fighting over a survey. It's a bit childish.
 

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Colin, I was going to comment on the length of that URL, and the fact that its broken as something is not right as it takes you to a facebook redirection link, which takes you to the main Clause 19 home page rather than the survey... but last time I commented on your post about the survey I got flamed :rolleyes:
 

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So reading through the linked document, it appears that Labour tried initially to introduce a second reading of Clause 19, which would potentially introduce a licence for keeping SOME exotic animals (specifically mentioned were African dwarf hedgehogs, meerkat and racoon dogs) due to welfare concerns.
In reply the Secretary of State stated that legislation is already in place via the Animal Welfare Act, that they were waiting to see the full report from the Scottish animal rights Bill, and urged him to withdraw his request for a second reading.
Which he did.
So currently as it stands, the government have NO current plan to change the keeping of exotic animals.
 

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So reading through the linked document, it appears that Labour tried initially to introduce a second reading of Clause 19, which would potentially introduce a licence for keeping SOME exotic animals (specifically mentioned were African dwarf hedgehogs, meerkat and racoon dogs) due to welfare concerns.
In reply the Secretary of State stated that legislation is already in place via the Animal Welfare Act, that they were waiting to see the full report from the Scottish animal rights Bill, and urged him to withdraw his request for a second reading.
Which he did.
So currently as it stands, the government have NO current plan to change the keeping of exotic animals.
Its funny how you can read through an email or forum post several times and interpret it in many ways. From this can we deduce that all the previous posts that may have worried those who keep reptiles have just been hype and propaganda? Or is it just an interim thing, and once the full Scottish animal rights bill has been read make the Secretary of state reconsider the request for a second reading, or now that its been withdrawn by Labour there is little chance of it being requested again, even after said report has been seen ?

On the one side we have all these posts stating sweeping changes and tightening up of "standards" regarding the keeping of reptiles in the UK, then we have your post that seems to suggest the concern is unjust and nothing will effectively change above the current legislation - Politics is so confusing !!
 

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Malc, have you read the document? If you click on the link it takes you to an odd page but there is, on the bottom right, a link to the document itself.
I think its a transcript from a parliamentary session. Have a read, see if you read it how i have.
The whole "the end is nigh, the antis are stopping us keeping our animals" rhetoric has been trotted out for the last couple of decades, and nothing has ever come of it.
I think that if you read the document, you'll see it for what it is.
Because to me, it reads very clearly that Labour wanted a second reading, Conservatives have said no as there is already existing legislation and that they are not doing anything until the Scottish review has been fully completed. Which is the complete opposite to an assertion that Parliament is proposing new restrictions!!
 

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Malc, have you read the document? If you click on the link it takes you to an odd page but there is, on the bottom right, a link to the document itself.
I think its a transcript from a parliamentary session. Have a read, see if you read it how i have.
The whole "the end is nigh, the antis are stopping us keeping our animals" rhetoric has been trotted out for the last couple of decades, and nothing has ever come of it.
I think that if you read the document, you'll see it for what it is.
Because to me, it reads very clearly that Labour wanted a second reading, Conservatives have said no as there is already existing legislation and that they are not doing anything until the Scottish review has been fully completed. Which is the complete opposite to an assertion that Parliament is proposing new restrictions!!
I'll be perfectly honest and admit I haven't read the document, but now you have pointed it out I'll take a look.

One thing I'm not sure about is that if the Scottish review suggests that a change be implemented which might impact reptile keepers, would that just affect those in Scotland, especially as the UK government have stated that as far as they are concerned, at least in England, the current legislation is sufficient?

I must admit, back in the 90's when the "antis" were actively getting society shows closed, there was that same "end of the world as we know it" mentality circulating.... but 30 years on we're all keeping our corns, royals, boa's and retics as we did back then. There was a similar thing in the states when the Burmese pythons were first reported as being an issue... but the leading breeders are still breeding and selling Burms and retics in many states, with only some states having specific legislation on transportation of said species.

I'm sure there will be tighter restrictions some time in the future, but whether that happens in my life time......
 

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If you click on the link it takes you to an odd page but there is, on the bottom right, a link to the document itself.
This main document seems to be focused on the keeping of primates and new laws to prosecute owners of dogs that cause worry to livestock - So it may be the wrong document ?? - If it is the right document then I tried a search for "Reptile" within the document and this was the search results.

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I later found the list of amendments here

The link includes "clause 19" - which has an open ended option - "(d) other appropriate animals identified by the review.”—

"This new clause would require the Secretary of State to conduct a review into the keeping of exotic animals as pets in the England. The amendment would require the Secretary of State to bring forward legislation based on the findings of the review within 12 months of the Act being passed. "

So if I understand this correct, any inclusion of say retics or burms or large monitors etc, any such amendment (assuming clause 19 gets included in the bill, and as far as I can see there doesn't seem to be any indication that is yet the case ) any additions would only become "law" if the amendment stipulating exact species was passed within a year of this bill becoming law. After that a new application would be needed and the same drawn out process needed.

I can see how the option D of clause 19 has caused some concern. As it stands with such ambiguous wording, exotics could indeed cover anything form corn snakes through to stick insects as it could literally mean anything that is not native to the UK as defined by the Collins dictionary

"Something that is exotic is unusual and interesting, usually because it comes from or is related to a distant country. "

What would be interesting is for those that are in the know to confirm if anyone, government or otherwise have produced a list of reptiles that are proposed to be included in item D of clause 19, otherwise we could all be worrying unduly.

Apologies' if I've got things wrong - politics was never my strong point :)
 
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