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I have had a female collard lizard for around 6 months now and have found it very difficult to find out which sub-species it is. So here are some pics







has anyone got any ideas which sub-species she is?
 

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Absolutely, most definitely without a shadow of a doubt she is Crotaphytus Bicinctores. There are only two kinds in the UK (for now), Westerns which are also known as Desert Collareds, Black Collareds, or Crotaphytus Bicinctores. This is the kind you have. They vary from beige to brown, to really dark almost black, and often have yellow feet/legs. I have a pair and they both got yellow legs (Lucky me, lol).

The other kind are Easterns, also known as Crotaphytus Collaris Collaris (thats not a typo, you are supposed to say Collaris twice), lol. They are green, sometimes close to Blue, and often have yellow throats and sides, and are the most commonly available.

The Collared family is split into several families, the first is Crotaphytus Insularis, and they tend to have chunky fat tails, and quite long faces. In this group you'll find Vestigiums, Dickersons and Bicinctores. The other true collared lizard family is Crotaphytus Collaris, they tend to be the greener/yellower side of the family tree (Auriceps, Baileyi, New Mexican for example). They have more slender tails, and shorter faces. They are also wider at the temples (the latin translation is literally Wide Temples/Faces). And like I said, there are only two kinds available in the UK, the common Easterns (Collaris Collaris) and Westerns (Bicinctores). Anything else is priced highly and until collareds become more popular inthe UK, they arent likely to become available.

You can also sometimes find Leopard Lizards in the UK, but they dont have the black banding around their necks at all.

If you have a look at www.geocities.com/crotaphytus (this was written by a Herpetologist specialising in Collareds), there is a whole catalogue of photos dedicated specifically to the Bicinctores. Have a look in there and you are sure to find some similar in colour and pattern to your own.

BTW A good friend (also a Collared keeper) and I have hunted the country from top to bottom and have been unable to find anything ANYWHERE in the UK except for the above two species, so rest assured thats definitely what she is. Hope this helps!!!!!

This is my pair, you should be able to see the similarity in colour and patterning, though my female is unusually very dark brown......



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This one is the male.....

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Thanks :D
All thats really helped, all the subspecies are quite confusing... I was fairly sure she was either an easter or western, I was actually leaning towards easter and just assumed she was duller in colour because she is a female.
I'm thinking of maybe getting one or two more as I am building a tank for her to go in so will have the one she is in now free :D
Thanks again for all the help.
 

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BTW.. does she seem small? As I have had her for about 6 months and she was 7" long when I got her but lost about 2" of her tail but is 7" long now (so should be about 9"). Is this a good size for a female? She is also about 26 grams. Do you have any idea what the weight and length of your female is??
 

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Ryan1990 said:
BTW.. does she seem small? As I have had her for about 6 months and she was 7" long when I got her but lost about 2" of her tail but is 7" long now (so should be about 9"). Is this a good size for a female? She is also about 26 grams. Do you have any idea what the weight and length of your female is??
Elvis is 10" and weighs 26g, she is still only young, and quite small. They tend to grow slowly throughout their lifetime, whereas males are full size by the age of 3. Their size does vary, from 9 to 14 inches, though a friend of mine has one thats 16". If they come bigger, they must come smaller. If she was tiny when you got her ie 7", she was probably still a juvenile, assuming she has grown 2" then take off the tail, she is probably still growing. I had a conversation with a friend the other day and we agreed that WC adults seem bigger than CB adults, so I wonder if a heavy population or instinct makes them grow bigger or faster?

Who knows, I think from the photo she is a healthy weight, so unless she gets any thinner you can only be onto a good thing.

Unfortunately Collared season is now over, they are hibernating in the wild and probably on the Captive farms too, but maybe next year you can find her a nice friend, lol.

BTW What size will the viv be? Its good that you have the sense to give them room to run around, they're crazy creatures as you'll already know
 

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The viv she is in at the moment is 40" x 24" x 24" but evetually I hope to have 2 females in this viv (including her) and a male in the one I am building as it is slightly smaller (36" x 20" x 20").
Then after a few years of experience I will attempt breeding :)
 

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Ryan1990 said:
The viv she is in at the moment is 40" x 24" x 24" but evetually I hope to have 2 females in this viv (including her) and a male in the one I am building as it is slightly smaller (36" x 20" x 20").
Then after a few years of experience I will attempt breeding :)
It sounds like you got your priorities in order, its good that there are still people out there that want to enjoy thir pets before they go and buy 10 with breeding and profit as their motivation.

Good luck with your new viv, and your new collareds, its always good to meet new owners :)
 
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