hmmmmmm well i got hte last part but if thats been sent fomr a phone do u have predictive text on cos im still trying to figure out who is ian and what wartime has to do with snakes

in answer to your question everyone has their own ideas........ i keep my youngsters in 22L instead of 9L, they love them, i have 6 and not one of them is a problem feeding shedding etc and the longer rub means they can get stretched right out. I had them in 9L until they where about 150 g then moved them....... adult females go into a viv or a 70L rub and the adult males are in a variety of 50L 70L and vivs.
its all about what suits the snake, i think perhaps people are too quick to assume they need as small an area as possible..... just cos they can live in a small viv or rub doesnt mean they necessarily have to or should., you do on occasion get the odd one who will prefer a small space, some prefers vivs to rubs and vice versa, you can also condition your snake, which isnt a good thing, if you keep it in a small space the snake will eventually feel it is secure in that space and won't feel comfortable in a bigger space, which is why i give mine as big as possible as soon as possible. and everyone of mine utilises every inch of space they have.

 

All important wartime to know Ian

what ? :crazy:

 

Im assuming her you mean, All I want to know is what size animal you keep in what size tub? lol

You will get alot of different answers here, depending on the species of snake and the keepers space and enclosure likes.

I personally dont think any adult snake should be kept in a RUB. I move something up a size when i think i can get away with it really. My little hognose is now in the large flat faunarium, but in a few months, il probably have a look at her and see if she is big enough to go in a viv. RUBS and fauns i use as temporary enclosures until the snakes are big enough to live in vivariums.

A royal i would only keep in until they are about 400 grams maybe? Hard to answer that one since ive always kept my royal in a viv.

 

Ha yeah sorry about that was off my phone and hadn't realised the whole predictive text was going on.

The question was what size snakes do you keep in rub's but to i think you all got that. I just seemed to go the long way about it.

Cheers for the comments so far.

 

Different keepers have different opinions ive seen many people i consider experts use RUB's with no problems to the snakes at all. I plan on using RUB's for my royals as well and will use 9-18L for hatchlings and 50L for adult males and 70L for adult females

 

A friend of mine keeps nearly all his adults (corns and royals I think) in 50L rubs, I'm not an experienced keeper but my 9 month corn is very comfortable in a 7L rub, I've heard that the rule of thumb is around 1sq foot of space per foot of snake, though I'm not sure wether this is breed/gender specific.

 

When you think about it, a RUB is a nicer home for a snake, tends to be darker, a bit smaller, and holds heat and humidity just as well. I have my adult colombian rainbow who is a very timid snake in a 32ltr, and he is doing great. RUB's are the most eco-friendly and cost effective way to keep snakes.
If I COULD I would have them all in vivariums so the world can see them, but that isn't the case for me, and most other people. So RUB's will have to do for the minute.

 

2 (soon to be 3) of my snakes are in rubs at the moment and they're doing fine, I am waiting till they are adult before getting their vivs and if I find that they don't like being in a viv and prefer a rub, well that's how it will be.

I have space for vivs for my snakes but if I find they do better in a rub well I think this would be better, I will go by whatever is bets for my snakes.

 

i have 2 juvenile florida king snakes in rubs atm one is a hatchling still the other is coming up to a year i think maybe just over and hes in a bigger one, not sure the litre, ive tried my older florida in a viv he doesnt like them at all as hes grown up in a rub he doesnt particually like his rub now its to big for him yet its a good size rub for a snake his size (just proving the point on the comment above about the snake adapting) my hatchling is in a smaller one as ive only just got him and hes got mites so its just a temporary one while i get situations sorted, then i have my royal in an 18" viv soon gunna be upgrading to a 2ft as hes getting a bit bigger, in answer to the question its hard to judge in my opinion no arboreal snake should be in a rub at any point and burrowing snakes sunbeam or kenyan sand boa for example as long as possable and as deep as possable simple as that they will appriciate that more no matter what size they are then for most other types just make sure they have pleanty of room can stretch out hide and such like if you can make their enviroment as much like theyd have in the wild as you can the snake will be happy hope this helps

 

What would be the biggest snake you would all keep in a rub? Again im not asking hoping to keep a burm or anything like that in one just curious.

Ive seen people have adult boas in tubs wondering what size they would need to be for them to be happy in there?

Cheers again.

 

What would be the biggest snake you would all keep in a rub? Again im not asking hoping to keep a burm or anything like that in one just curious.

Ive seen people have adult boas in tubs wondering what size they would need to be for them to be happy in there?

Cheers again.

It can vary most of my adult corns and kings will be in 33l 50l 64l all the same size bar the height only the really big corns would i move into something bigger through the proper rubs do a size 145l which might cover even the biggest corns havent looked into them yet as ive always said vivs rubs the only thing is none are better if its the right size for the snake, vivs are mainly for peoples benifit of viewing an animal not the other way round :2thumb:

 

You will find there's a common myth that royals need smaller RUBs. I would say the opposite is true, all of mine have fed better when given plenty of room with plenty of cover. My 300g yearling royal is in a 50L and I personally wouldn't go for smaller - adults here would appreciate a 3 x 2 or similar sized viv. A 70L might suffice for a very small adult male as a temporary measure. I temporarily kept an emaciated 4ft male in a 50L RUB and it simply wasn't enough space, I still beat myself up a bit for it now but I took them in expecting their vivs to come with them and ended up with two snakes turning up in a pillowcase!

Adult corns I use 50s for small examples (such as my Upper Keys) and will be using 70L or vivs for the bigger ones.

I wouldn't keep anything bigger in RUBs personally other than as babies/juvis or in exceptional cases where the snake is at risk in a viv (eg. my nearly 5ft hypo black rat female).

 

Rubs are great for small snakes but way way to many people are keeping spieces that will simply outgrow them in time yet feel its ok to keep them cramped in just because they feed and breed (and they aint got the space for bigger due to to many snakes) but i do wonder why theres lots of slugs about?

Maybe if rubs are to be used for royals and corns maybe this should be the minimum,

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still smaller then what was once considered to be the minimum by many though..

 

It seems to be alot of people keeping snakes in vivs useing the same arguments every time assuming that all adult snakes in rubs are overcrowded but if the viv was the same size it would appear acceptable.
I do agree some numptys will keep snakes in to small a rub or viv but i think its a minority.
I do think there is a hell of a difference keeping a 5ft boa in a rub compared to a corn up to 5ft you cant really compare the 2 rubs are great for smaller snakes such as corns house snakes ect.
now im betting the 145l rub is very close in size to a 3ft viv.
A snake in either the same size container doesnt matter wether its a viv or a rub is just as good

 

I have yet to see any RUB for sale bigger than a 70L, so if you're referring to my comments on 3ft vivs (sorry if you're not), it was based on that. I was told that a 145L wasn't as big as a 3 x 2 viv (which would've been the minimum size I would want to use). If there was a RUB that was the size of a viv I needed I would use it ten times over, check out one recent post I made about the benefits of appropriate sized RUBs. I absolutely love RUBs for what they are. It's not the box I have a problem with.

My problem is with the abject acceptance of cramming adult royals into 33L RUBs as the "norm", based on the pretense that all royals are fussy delicate creatures that won't feed if they're given adequate (or God forbid spacious!) enclosures.

 

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As long as the snakes are healthy does it matter if they are kept in RUB or have a full room for them to roam!

I keep my corn snake in a vivarium and 99% of the time he is curled up in a tiny hide.

I keep my royals in tubs and they also spend their time curled up in their hides.

when a snake escapes form its vivarium you dont ever hear of them lounging around on the sofa do you? no they are going to find the smallest little hole they can fit into and feel secure and only come out when they want to find food, water, somewhere hotter or somewhere cooler.

what I'm trying to get at is does it matter as long as the snake can thermoregulate?

 

Agreed ^^^

 

I cant see a problem as long as the container has hides and is big enough for the snake it doesnt matter.
I dont agree that a snake should just have a water bowl with no hides and cant move around which is as i see it a totally different argument.
but lots of people bring this in and assume the snakes been kept in the rubs are to big for them either rub or viv should be of a proper size to house the snake.

 

ive learned theres one down size to rubs over vivs the whole top opens for 1 and for 2. i cant move up as fast as i can backwards when a kingrats flying at ur face and i do find rubs cause this alot more as they can only see a shadow opening a rub where as a viv they see u walking towards it

 

True ive got all mine with the lids on and just lift them out and put them on a table there was someone on here a week or two done that with the lidless racks and got tagged in the eye the rub was farely high up

 

Gah it is so hard to type on this phone, please excuse typos.

 

The answer to the question is - an adequate sized enclosure for the size of the snake. I think RUBS are great and use them for neonate and young boas but there isn't a big enough RUB to house an adult boa or a Royal for that matter.

If the RUB is large enough great, they hold the humidity, they're cheap and easy to clean and stack. If the RUB isn't large enough you'll need a viv. There are lots of plastic vivariums out there that offer all the benefits of a RUB. Yes they are expensive but when you own an animal you have the responsibility to care for it properly regardless of cost. There are other alternatives such as rack systems or custom built vivs that can be stacked and fitted into alcoves and recesses.

The thing that annoys me the most is people cramming lots of snakes into RUBS because if they had to house them in vivariums they a) wouldn't be able to afford it and b) wouldn't be able to fit them all in their home. For me neither is an excuse for housing an animal in too small an enclosure.