So, hear me out, maybe someone can explain what happened here.
I got two (long line breed, pure, I know the breeder personally) "Tremper Albino Giant" (male and female).
Male: ♂
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Female: ♀
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Amazing colors, really good size (male it's around 32 cm or a bit more long, female it's around 30 cm, that's 12 inches and up), the only problem this breeder has it's that it's not entering new blood, therefore, his animals are heavily inbreed between them (this has a good explanation though, since 2014 imports into my country from foreign animals it's almost forbidden, the only viable way to get new blood it's snuggling a gecko and pass the boarders, but that's not only ilegal, but very risky if you get caught).
Adopted them as babies, a couple weeks old, a year ago. There's absolutely ZERO chance of retained sperm from another male.
I didn't know at the time if the female had any issues laying eggs, I wasn't aware that the inbreed was so bad, until AFTER I mate one with the other, the female had issues with her eggs, and I talked about it with the original breeder. Since it was her first year, I thought it wouldn't hurt if, just this year, I got a couple more giant tremper albinos.
This are her egg account:
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(The one in purple it's the "brother" of the one ""I want to know what happened"" egg, that just like the others went to waste)
And no, I'm not "bad at incubating them", if you see my previous posts here, you'll notice that all other eggs were born fine. I try to make new mixed blood from different morphs that haven't been done before, so I can inject some new genes into long-inbreed lines, trying to make animals healthier by offering animals that carry HETs (although might not look like X or X) and might be used either by other breeders or simply as healthier pets, and trust me, since the ban to enter animals, breeding leopard geckos for pets it's not an issue, there's always demand for them.
Anyways, thing is, yesterday night I woke up to this 9 cm long "baby" from the albino tremper giant couple:
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And...as you can see, it's not an Albino at all.
I have diligent records on my geckos, mainly because I have OCD and I only have two males and 5 females (including the couple in questions). So I'm completely sure it wasn't an error of not marking my eggs right (the other male it's a Mack Snow, and surely they're all in different enclosures).
The date that egg was in, there wasn't even any other female laying eggs (not even a couple days before and/or after that particular cluch).
So, if I didn't screwed up, they descent from (pure) Tremper Albino giant genes, ... what happened??? 🤔
Things to consider, during January and February it's summer here in my country, we had a severe heat week/s where temperature didn't drop from around 36° Celsius at best, although I had the air conditioning unit on to keep the room temperature as low as possible, the room did went up to around 31° C., but I figured the worse case, I'll just be getting males (temp inside the Zoomed Reptibator incubator was meassured with 4 different things between the probe, the digital thermo-hidromether, the old school thermometer in the GEO, and then the incubator itself. And they all marked the same, so I know there wasn't anything "weird"). But then, this very week, I had 3 babies from different parents being incubated during the heat wave born... "Off".
One has a defect on one of its leg fingers, it's "glued" to the other next to it. The other has a "lump" on its head. The third one is an "albino that's not albino".
Sorry for the long post, but I've covered all things and I'm still on the lookout for answering this in a way that makes sense.
SO!, if anyone wants to share it's theory about it, I'm all ears.
Thanks in advance 🙏
I got two (long line breed, pure, I know the breeder personally) "Tremper Albino Giant" (male and female).
Male: ♂
Female: ♀
Amazing colors, really good size (male it's around 32 cm or a bit more long, female it's around 30 cm, that's 12 inches and up), the only problem this breeder has it's that it's not entering new blood, therefore, his animals are heavily inbreed between them (this has a good explanation though, since 2014 imports into my country from foreign animals it's almost forbidden, the only viable way to get new blood it's snuggling a gecko and pass the boarders, but that's not only ilegal, but very risky if you get caught).
Adopted them as babies, a couple weeks old, a year ago. There's absolutely ZERO chance of retained sperm from another male.
I didn't know at the time if the female had any issues laying eggs, I wasn't aware that the inbreed was so bad, until AFTER I mate one with the other, the female had issues with her eggs, and I talked about it with the original breeder. Since it was her first year, I thought it wouldn't hurt if, just this year, I got a couple more giant tremper albinos.
This are her egg account:
(The one in purple it's the "brother" of the one ""I want to know what happened"" egg, that just like the others went to waste)
And no, I'm not "bad at incubating them", if you see my previous posts here, you'll notice that all other eggs were born fine. I try to make new mixed blood from different morphs that haven't been done before, so I can inject some new genes into long-inbreed lines, trying to make animals healthier by offering animals that carry HETs (although might not look like X or X) and might be used either by other breeders or simply as healthier pets, and trust me, since the ban to enter animals, breeding leopard geckos for pets it's not an issue, there's always demand for them.
Anyways, thing is, yesterday night I woke up to this 9 cm long "baby" from the albino tremper giant couple:
And...as you can see, it's not an Albino at all.
I have diligent records on my geckos, mainly because I have OCD and I only have two males and 5 females (including the couple in questions). So I'm completely sure it wasn't an error of not marking my eggs right (the other male it's a Mack Snow, and surely they're all in different enclosures).
The date that egg was in, there wasn't even any other female laying eggs (not even a couple days before and/or after that particular cluch).
So, if I didn't screwed up, they descent from (pure) Tremper Albino giant genes, ... what happened??? 🤔
Things to consider, during January and February it's summer here in my country, we had a severe heat week/s where temperature didn't drop from around 36° Celsius at best, although I had the air conditioning unit on to keep the room temperature as low as possible, the room did went up to around 31° C., but I figured the worse case, I'll just be getting males (temp inside the Zoomed Reptibator incubator was meassured with 4 different things between the probe, the digital thermo-hidromether, the old school thermometer in the GEO, and then the incubator itself. And they all marked the same, so I know there wasn't anything "weird"). But then, this very week, I had 3 babies from different parents being incubated during the heat wave born... "Off".
One has a defect on one of its leg fingers, it's "glued" to the other next to it. The other has a "lump" on its head. The third one is an "albino that's not albino".
Sorry for the long post, but I've covered all things and I'm still on the lookout for answering this in a way that makes sense.
SO!, if anyone wants to share it's theory about it, I'm all ears.
Thanks in advance 🙏
